Can Philly be viewed as a truly liberal city if PA is red? (Philadelphia: middle-class, home)

[Muinteoir]

Originally Posted by Pilot1

I guess neither of you know their politics and recent actions then. Maybe get educated then get back to me. That is the perfect descriptive term unless you are just an Apparatchik.

Again, a complete lack of effort on your behalf. You have failed to draw a connection between the actions of either Kenney or Krasner and Marxist theory. Therefore, your deployment of the term "Marxist" is empty rhetoric.

[KansastoSouthphilly]

Originally Posted by Muinteoir

Again, a complete lack of effort on your behalf. You have failed to draw a connection between the actions of either Kenney or Krasner and Marxist theory. Therefore, your deployment of the term "Marxist" is empty rhetoric.

Yes it is interesting that modern conservatives complain that progressives dismiss everything they dislike as "racist" while simultaneously dismissing everything they dislike as "marxist." Almost none of them have ever read marx or understand the long standing animosity between marxists/communists and liberals.

[MarketStEl]

Originally Posted by KoNgFooCj

I always find your posts rational. However I wouldn't call cities with less than 50,000 people medium sized cities. They are small cities and shouldn't have that much sway over state politics. Illinois has tons of small cities as well yet Chicago absolutely dominates IL politics.

None of the cities I listed have populations below 50,000; I left the one the does yet is part of an emerging metropolitan conurbation akin to the Lehigh Valley or Scranton/Wilkes-Barre — York, which forms the third angle of what I'm calling the South-Central Pennsylvania Triangle — off the list. (Edited to add: Whoops! Wilkes-Barre also has fewer than 50,000 residents, but since it's just a handful of miles from Scranton, it gets included just like Easton does in the Lehigh Valley metro.)

The other Pennsylvania cities that fall into this small-city category include Altoona, Johnstown, Easton, Coatesville and a bunch of even smaller (<10,000) ones in western Pennsylvania. This category also includes State College borough.

Upper Darby and Lower Merion townships in the Philadelphia 'burbs have populations large enough to qualify as small or medium-sized cities.

[MarketStEl]

Originally Posted by KoNgFooCj

I always find your posts rational. However I wouldn't call cities with less than 50,000 people medium sized cities. They are small cities and shouldn't have that much sway over state politics. Illinois has tons of small cities as well yet Chicago absolutely dominates IL politics.

And also, once more: No other metropolitan area in Illinois has anywhere hear the population of Chicagoland. Remove the New Jersey, Delaware and Maryland parts of Greater Philadelphia and Greater Pittsburgh becomes even more of a rival center.

[KoNgFooCj]

Originally Posted by MarketStEl

And also, once more: No other metropolitan area in Illinois has anywhere hear the population of Chicagoland. Remove the New Jersey, Delaware and Maryland parts of Greater Philadelphia and Greater Pittsburgh becomes even more of a rival center.

Without the non PA parts of the Philadelphia metro, it's still around 4 million. That plus Pittsburgh metro area is close to 6 million people. But some state's largest metro areas are significantly smaller than that and are still reliably blue.

[dcb175]

To answer the original question: I don't believe that PA's overall political disposition has any bearing whatsoever on whether Philadelphia is viewed as liberal or not. It's a liberal city, and as far as I know viewed nationally as such.

The comparison to Houston falls short because outside of the core city (that is, outside the loop and the suburbs) Houston is still rather conservative (with some areas being incredibly so). Philly's suburbs are much more center-left. As has been pointed out, Texas' standing as a conservative stronghold doesn't seem to dent Austin's (well-earned) reputation as a liberal city.

[KoNgFooCj]

Originally Posted by dcb175

To answer the original question: I don't believe that PA's overall political disposition has any bearing whatsoever on whether Philadelphia is viewed as liberal or not. It's a liberal city, and as far as I know viewed nationally as such.

The comparison to Houston falls short because outside of the core city (that is, outside the loop and the suburbs) Houston is still rather conservative (with some areas being incredibly so). Philly's suburbs are much more center-left. As has been pointed out, Texas' standing as a conservative stronghold doesn't seem to dent Austin's (well-earned) reputation as a liberal city.

Thank you for helping me understand a bit Houston better.

[EXPHILLY]

Philly used to be a WONDERFULLY conservative, Republican city. I gather all that was ending around the time big Frank Rizzo left City Hall, and the city began collapsing in today's chaos. We moved far away in '69. Sad to see it today.

[FindingZen]

Originally Posted by EXPHILLY

Philly used to be a WONDERFULLY conservative, Republican city. I gather all that was ending around the time big Frank Rizzo left City Hall, and the city began collapsing in today's chaos. We moved far away in '69. Sad to see it today.

Large cities are generally liberal/Democratic. If you've kept up with news over the years and especially this year, Rizzo has a particularly polarizing legacy. While the city has had its share of mistakes and corruption over decades of one-party rule, I don't think Republicans would be able to do much differently. The days of Republicans having a chance to run the city ended with Sam Katz, a relative moderate for the times. Now you have people who eagerly became loyalists for the current (outgoing?) President. That's not going to produce much luck at City Hall.

If Rizzo had fought to prevent redlining as Mayor, championed other programs for citizens of color, and endeavored to work with the counties to create a cooperative economy instead of a competitive one, this city and metro would be a different place.

Perhaps the presumed President-Elect could empower the city as a laboratory for some great things.

https://www.phillymag.com/news/2020/...-philadelphia/

[EXPHILLY]

I was watching the live feed on YouTube today from civic center where the vote count is taking place and listening to several young women yelling into megaphones to the crowd, essentially declaring, 'THE REVOLUTION IS HERE.' Kamala will be running the show -- but getting nowhere. Pelosi will be out. Biden, the trojan horse, will kick the can before too long. it'll be disaster.