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Old 11-15-2020, 11:01 AM
 
Location: 215 (MontCo)
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Chester has had a Democrat for mayor for the past 8 years. So, smack smack!!!

Both Democrats and Republicans suck. However, you would think after so many years of disastrous leadership under Democratic rule, Philadelphians would at least consider someone outside of the same party.
...And Republican for the other 50+ years; Like you, I'll just attribute Chesters' decline to the residents continuously voting Republican. The blame game... Blaming political parties for a cities issues is trite, both Democratic and Republican lead cities are both experiencing increases in homicide and poverty rates across the nation in 2020.
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Old 11-15-2020, 10:39 PM
 
Location: Chapel Hill, NC, formerly DC and Phila
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It was so much fun watching my home city of Philadelphia on the news last week! Living here in NC, it made me homesick. The eyes of the country and the world were on you. It made me so proud to be a Pennsylvanian! (The second best part was the Four Season Total Landscaping press conference. I have never laughed so hard!)
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Old 11-16-2020, 05:22 AM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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Chester has had a Democrat for mayor for the past 8 years. So, smack smack!!!

Both Democrats and Republicans suck. However, you would think after so many years of disastrous leadership under Democratic rule, Philadelphians would at least consider someone outside of the same party.
Maybe what's needed is a new political party that lies somewhere between the two current poles.

Unfortunately, one reason we don't get one of those is because the two incumbent parties have written the rules of the electoral game in every state to make it hard for other parties to gain real traction.
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Old 11-16-2020, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Boston Metrowest (via the Philly area)
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Maybe what's needed is a new political party that lies somewhere between the two current poles.

Unfortunately, one reason we don't get one of those is because the two incumbent parties have written the rules of the electoral game in every state to make it hard for other parties to gain real traction.
That's very true. It's also an unfortunate reality on both sides of the political spectrum that "moderate" has become a four-letter word.

But as much as so many people hate to admit it, we've never needed more moderate and stable governance at any point in American history than now, regardless of party affiliation.

Biden is probably the most moderate politician to be elected since Clinton, but you wouldn't know it from the mindless rhetoric and propaganda linking every single Democrat to socialism, or even communism. It defies logic.
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Old 11-16-2020, 11:26 AM
 
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Maybe what's needed is a new political party that lies somewhere between the two current poles.

Unfortunately, one reason we don't get one of those is because the two incumbent parties have written the rules of the electoral game in every state to make it hard for other parties to gain real traction.
That is exactly what is needed. Something that balances the two extremes and thinks of the larger picture. I believe the liars in power call that "bi-partisan". An empty word to them.

And to your previous point, a new party that is a bit more pure than the corrupt remains of the Dems and Pubs would be best. If only the citizenry could recognize when "their" party has become corrupt rather than blindly following them down the rabbit hole believing they will actually fix the problems they themselves have actually created.
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Old 11-16-2020, 11:42 AM
 
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...And Republican for the other 50+ years; Like you, I'll just attribute Chesters' decline to the residents continuously voting Republican. The blame game... Blaming political parties for a cities issues is trite, both Democratic and Republican lead cities are both experiencing increases in homicide and poverty rates across the nation in 2020.
City issues are what the politicians are responsible for helping fix. That includes making smart choices in regard to business, community, transportation, finance, crime/public safety, etc. In Philly, the current party has perpetuated poor business choices (they have failed to revamp the business tax structure, they do not encourage businesses to do business in the city to the degree that they could), they do not make the tough choices to serve all communities rather than just their own, they have not revamped transportation in a way that could be more forward thinking (BRT is needed in many parts of the city, more bike lanes, more pedestrian-only places to encourage proper modes in proper places), etc etc etc. And the corruption is thick.

Blame is a bad word because it suggests that the focus should be on scapegoating those responsible. While that's not of great importance to me, it is important to see who is responsible so we do not put them in office again. So yeah, Dems and Pubs are both to blame. And they should not be put in office unless they are good candidates who can be trusted to fix the issues. The last part there is hard to come by because each of those two corrupt machines require soul-selling and the average politician does not have the dedication to serving that he/she should.
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Old 11-16-2020, 01:08 PM
 
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That is exactly what is needed. Something that balances the two extremes and thinks of the larger picture.
I think of Canada's New Democratic Party which appears to be moderate by American standards but per Wikipedia is a bit left of their "Liberal" Party. Short of getting a household name who is an independent to run as a centrist Mayoral candidate, I'm not sure how a viable third option would fare in the city.
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Old 11-16-2020, 01:44 PM
 
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Maybe what's needed is a new political party that lies somewhere between the two current poles.

Unfortunately, one reason we don't get one of those is because the two incumbent parties have written the rules of the electoral game in every state to make it hard for other parties to gain real traction.
There are two potential changes to the election system that would have an immediate impact in that regard:

First, ranked choice / instant runoff voting in every election everywhere. The major parties spend a lot of time scaring their flock into thinking that if they don't vote for their team regardless of how odious their own candidate is, the other even worse team will win. Ranked choice voting allows people to vote for whoever they think is the actual best person in the race first and still have a failsafe to ensure they are not enabling the "worst of the worst" team to win.

Second, change the debate rules to include everyone who is on the ballot in enough states to get 270 EV into the debates, at least for the first one. You can't let every joker who declares as a candidate into the debates, but if you and your party has done the legwork to gather signatures to get on the ballot for a majority of EVs, that is no small feat and you should be taken seriously and your voice heard. That would allow millions of more people access to the views & candidates of the Libertarian and Green parties to make a more informed choice in the end.
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Old 11-16-2020, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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I think of Canada's New Democratic Party which appears to be moderate by American standards but per Wikipedia is a bit left of their "Liberal" Party. Short of getting a household name who is an independent to run as a centrist Mayoral candidate, I'm not sure how a viable third option would fare in the city.
The New Democratic Party is Canada's social-democratic party, formed in 1961 by the Canadian Labour Congress and the predecessor Cooperative Commonwealth Federation (Farmer-Labor-Socialist).

While the American Socialists did enjoy wide popularity in the first decade or two of the 20th century, I don't see a socialist, or even social-democratic, party making much headway here.

Though the Republicans insist on calling the Democrats socialists.
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Old 11-16-2020, 10:35 PM
 
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Philadelphia, where our country was born on July 4, 1776 and saved on November 7, 2020.
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