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Old 11-17-2020, 05:55 AM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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NewtownBucks: Where do I sign on to your suggestions?

I actually think that ranked-choice voting may be reaching escape velocity as an idea whose time has come. ISTR that two states had adopting it on their general election ballots this year and that voters in both states approved it. (Nope: According to FairVote, the Massachusetts initiative failed, and while the question is ahead in Alaska, it's too close to call. But five US cities did adopt it for local elections; one Massachusetts city, Cambridge, has used it in its local elections for years.)
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Old 11-17-2020, 07:30 AM
 
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+1 to NewtownBucks Very smart suggestions.
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Old 11-17-2020, 12:38 PM
 
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NewtownBucks: Where do I sign on to your suggestions?
I wish I knew. Ranked choice is obviously the best thing that could happen to our election system, but there are powerful forces preventing it.
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Old 11-21-2020, 12:25 PM
 
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it's perhaps ironic that the city where our constitution was crafted by our forefathers is the same city that 200+ years later, kept us from losing our grip on democracy. Thank you from the rest of us, thank you so much.

It is ironic, that 200+ years later ballot counting fraud sponsored by the Democratic mafia/party got so sophisticated and effective, along with major TV channels non-stop brainwashing which allowed Americans to make a mistake electing a top official neither mentally nor physically fit to run the country.

Not to mention Biden's himself and his son involvement with Chinese and Ukrainian bribe schemes - I guess it's acceptable now for a US president to be corrupt, like it is in other 3rd world countries.

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Old 11-21-2020, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Boston Metrowest (via the Philly area)
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non-stop brainwashing which allowed Americans to make a mistake electing a top official neither mentally nor physically fit to run the country. .
LOL. You just described 2016 to a "T."
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Old 12-08-2020, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Bensalem Pa
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Missing from this chart is the fact that Biden actually underperformed in Philadelphia vs. Clinton in 2016. His margin of victory in the city was lower this time around as more Black men showed up to vote for Trump.

So Philly's 'burbs really did make the difference, and Biden's city performance makes charges that the city Democrats were up to their old tricks ring hollow.
It was very interesting to see, and the same thing happened in the city proper of Allentown, the city proper of Reading and the city of Harrisburg. In Allentown and Reading especially, Trump gained like 4-5% in 2020 over his 2016 totals. Probably from a combination of working class white, black and Hispanic men
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Old 12-09-2020, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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It was very interesting to see, and the same thing happened in the city proper of Allentown, the city proper of Reading and the city of Harrisburg. In Allentown and Reading especially, Trump gained like 4-5% in 2020 over his 2016 totals. Probably from a combination of working class white, black and Hispanic men

Biden did very well in Pennsylvania's cities and its large suburban areas.

His margin is a bit smaller than Hillary's in Philadelphia, but the turnout was higher, so overall the margin is only about 1% less in Philadelphia.

Most of Trump's vote in Philadelphia was not people of color at all. To anyone who said that, really needs to understand the politics. Trump tried to build a poc narrative. They did not show up. at all.

It was predominately white's in the Northeast Pocket of the city, which has about 500,000 people and is known to be the small Republican pocket of Philadelphia. Just as Staten Island is for NYC.

Biden carried: Chester, Montgomery, Delaware and Bucks in big wins over Hillary.

He also gained more votes in suburban Pittsburgh,Lehigh Valley, Harrisburg and Scranton in larger margins than Hillary. Dauphin County has now voted blue since 2008, and is a solid Democratic part of the state.

The suburban voter turnout is important.

Erie County also flipped back to blue, after going Red in 2016. Which is a vital historically Democratic anchor in the NW corner of the state.

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Old 12-09-2020, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA.
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I hope you are happy with Mr. Magoo as your president.





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it's perhaps ironic that the city where our constitution was crafted by our forefathers is the same city that 200+ years later, kept us from losing our grip on democracy. Thank you from the rest of us, thank you so much.
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Old 12-09-2020, 01:20 PM
 
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Biden did very well in Pennsylvania's cities and its large suburban areas.

His margin is a bit smaller than Hillary's in Philadelphia, but the turnout was higher, so overall the margin is only about 1% less in Philadelphia.

Most of Trump's vote in Philadelphia was not people of color at all. To anyone who said that, really needs to understand the politics. Trump tried to build a poc narrative. They did not show up. at all.

It was predominately white's in the Northeast Pocket of the city, which has about 500,000 people and is known to be the small Republican pocket of Philadelphia. Just as Staten Island is for NYC.

Biden carried: Chester, Montgomery, Delaware and Bucks in big wins over Hillary.

He also gained more votes in suburban Pittsburgh,Lehigh Valley, Harrisburg and Scranton in larger margins than Hillary. Dauphin County has now voted blue since 2008, and is a solid Democratic part of the state.

The suburban voter turnout is important.

Erie County also flipped back to blue, after going Red in 2016. Which is a vital historically Democratic anchor in the NW corner of the state.
The suburban areas is where Trump really got crushed. In Bucks, Rep. Fitzpatrick won re-election easily by 12%. Trump lost by 4.5%. In 2016, Fitzpatrick won by 9% (and only 3% in the 2018 suburban blue wave midterm) and Clinton won by 1%. Therefore, the Congressional margin got more Republican at the same time as the Presidential margin got more Democratic. People shouldn't conclude that this election is any kind of Democratic mandate because Trump lost. In the educated, independent-thinking upper middle class suburbs, people rejected Trump himself, but didn't necessarily endorse any sort of Democratic ideals or mandate.
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Old 12-09-2020, 02:45 PM
 
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Maybe what's needed is a new political party that lies somewhere between the two current poles.

Unfortunately, one reason we don't get one of those is because the two incumbent parties have written the rules of the electoral game in every state to make it hard for other parties to gain real traction.
The Libertarian Party has been trying to fight against the debate rules for the past 8 years now...and still nothing. But the Rs and Ds panicked after Ross Perot did as well as he did and they will never let that happen again.
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