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Old 11-16-2020, 12:16 PM
 
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Philadelphia Targets Indoor Gatherings, Gyms and Dining With New COVID-19 Restrictions



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Indoor gatherings of any size, in any location, public or private are prohibited

  • No indoor parties, group meals, watching sporting events as a group
  • No visiting between households
  • No indoor weddings, funerals or baby showers
Outdoor gatherings are limited by size and no food or drink

  • Outdoor gatherings are restricted to 10% occupancy or 10 people per 1,000 sq. ft.; cap of 2,000 people in very large spaces
  • No food or beverages can be served to ensure that people wear their masks at all times
Restaurant indoor dining must end and new changes for outdoor dining

  • Indoor dining at restaurants must cease
    While restaurants have worked hard to follow precautions, the risk of people indoors during cold weather without masks is too great, officials said.
  • Outdoor dining will be restricted to 4 seats per table and all must be from the same household to prevent spreading the virus from one house to another.
Retail stores can operate with limited occupancy

  • Reduced density inside retail stores must be enforced
  • No more than 5 persons per 1,000 sq.ft.
  • All staff and customers must wear masks
  • Stores should not serve any person who is not wearing a mask
Museums, theaters, gyms must close and youth sports to cease play

The following businesses must close or cease activities:
  • Youth, community and school sports
  • Gyms
  • Museums
  • Libraries
  • Bowling alleys, arcades and game spaces
  • Casinos
  • Senior day services
Youth and community sports organizers are asked to stop moving games and practices to surrounding counties that have less restrictions in place.
Religious institutions can operate with reduced occupancy

  • Celebration of services are allowed, but with a reduced density of 5% or 5 persons per 1,000 sq. ft.
  • Online worship services is encouraged
Continue work from home wherever possible

  • Workspaces are asked to continue allowing staff to work from home unless their job cannot be performed in that setting
Online only schooling for colleges and high schools

  • Only virtual learning will be allowed for colleges, universities and high schools through Jan. 1, 2021.

I know more people who have got it in the last week or so than I did in the first wave. Last week was the most cases per day in the entire pandemic. Dr. Farley said it won't peak for 4 weeks even with a shutdown. Stay home people.
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Old 11-16-2020, 01:02 PM
 
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While I know that COVID fatigue is a real phenomenon (i.e., people sick of the restrictions and having what they deem to be "safe" small gatherings in their homes, which is most likely the cause of the recent surge), I am uneasy with the long arm of government reaching into personal property. I will say this, however: I agree with what one restauranteur said in an interview; namely, that it's not the restaurants (where rules must be followed or you're not allowed in there) that are causing the surge.

Balancing personal liberty with public health...I don't envy any of the decision makers at this juncture.
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Old 11-16-2020, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Fredericksburg, VA
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I will NOT COMPLY. We are going to have our Thanksgiving Huge Party whether the Mayor likes it or not.
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Old 11-16-2020, 04:38 PM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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I will NOT COMPLY. We are going to have our Thanksgiving Huge Party whether the Mayor likes it or not.
For your sake, I hope none of your family or friends is asymptomatic but infectious when that happens.

I had one friend whose mother caught the virus during the first wave and a second who contracted it two months ago. I consider myself fortunate in this regard. So are the friends, nether of whom developed a serious case of COVID (the first friend didn't catch it as his mother quarantined in her room).
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Old 11-16-2020, 06:00 PM
 
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Is that restriction list really....for real?

So....
-- churches can stay open and have services....but residents can't even have a couple of people over for dinner?
-- Retail can stay open, but a museum or library has to close?

My own personal bubble is very small (and I where a mask AND gloves), but give me a break.
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Old 11-16-2020, 06:18 PM
 
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Is that restriction list really....for real?

So....
-- churches can stay open and have services....but residents can't even have a couple of people over for dinner?
-- Retail can stay open, but a museum or library has to close?

My own personal bubble is very small (and I where a mask AND gloves), but give me a break.

I thought the religious exclusion was a little odd because it's somewhere you spend more than just a few minutes at. People would have freaked out if Christmas mass was canceled a month and a half in advance. The archdiocese of brooklyn is asking the supreme court to disallow NY's covid restrictions on the basis that it infringes on their religious freedom./
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Old 11-16-2020, 06:31 PM
 
Location: Fredericksburg, VA
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For your sake, I hope none of your family or friends is asymptomatic but infectious when that happens.

I had one friend whose mother caught the virus during the first wave and a second who contracted it two months ago. I consider myself fortunate in this regard. So are the friends, nether of whom developed a serious case of COVID (the first friend didn't catch it as his mother quarantined in her room).
A few of us have actually got it already, and it wasn't bad at all. Just felt uncomfortable with a bad cough and fevar for like 5 days but it was all good after that.
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Old 11-16-2020, 07:10 PM
 
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No but really...for real...I can't have two people over but a church can hold a service?

A museum, where all I'd do is stand an look at paintings and/or walk though a huge gallery....is closed, but a church where people sit still and stay put four over an hour is open.

Yeah I get the religious freedom push back.

Whatever.....I don't have Covid Fatigue.....I have fatigue from people having no common sense....
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Old 11-16-2020, 09:40 PM
 
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A few of us have actually got it already, and it wasn't bad at all. Just felt uncomfortable with a bad cough and fevar for like 5 days but it was all good after that.
You don't know what your long term effects will be. But, go ahead and party away (sarcasm).
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Old 11-16-2020, 09:56 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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I plan to continue to have small gatherings of 4 or less people at this point.

I get the indoor dinning restrictions, which the federal government really needs to step in with a stimulus to help these establishments.

I understand limiting people inside public spaces such as retailers. Although I think the 5% provision is a little over the top, 10% - 15% would be much more reasonable. This is the busy season for them as well.

Many restaurants are definitely going to go out of business. Between Thanksgiving and New Years is generally a busy time where restaurants profit a good deal of their yearly sales to put them ahead of what is historically the slow season (January - Easter).

The spread really has been due to people having large gatherings of 20+ people.

Does anyone know what New York's new restrictions are and how they compare??

I wonder if Pennsylvania as a whole will set new restrictions also??

Maybe the Governor is advising the states population center's to take action first, because many of the rural communities in the state have low infection rates.
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