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Old 05-10-2021, 11:18 PM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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I've always wondered that myself. I'd drive over the Commodore Barry Bridge and it would go from completely congested on the PA side to farmland on the Jersey side. And then I noticed a lot of new developments along 322 but still, why isn't the South Jersey side just a continuation of the Philly metro area -- as it is up in North Jersey adjacent to NYC?

Anyway, I'm not asking the OP to answer this, but obviously I'm not the only one who wonders about it.
Two important pieces of the puzzle. Trenton refused to build out the PATCO line into a system in spite of federal money decades ago. Then there was the mess where 295 didn't connect that sat there for decades. Trenton was told to build roads and upgrade existing roads in South Jersey and quit using it as a piggy bank for North Jersey. That resulted in rt 55, which was a complete mess. It was stalled when they ended up in a native American burial ground. Some nicer houses were built to accommodate workers at Pureland, down around exit 10.
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Old 05-12-2021, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Center City Philadelphia
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I've always wondered that myself. I'd drive over the Commodore Barry Bridge and it would go from completely congested on the PA side to farmland on the Jersey side. And then I noticed a lot of new developments along 322 but still, why isn't the South Jersey side just a continuation of the Philly metro area -- as it is up in North Jersey adjacent to NYC?

Anyway, I'm not asking the OP to answer this, but obviously I'm not the only one who wonders about it.
I've always wondered this as well and I think a lot of it has to do with access to Center City. It's actually really far from Center City by highway or public transit due south. You either take I-95 South then go across the Commodore Barry bridge or take 76 to 295. Either way, it's quicker to settle in a suburb much closer to the city. If you had a highway going due south from the airport or if the Broad Street Line continued down to National Park, I think you'd see that area a lot more developed. BTW, National Park is such an interesting little town. It truly feels like another world from Philly despite being less than a mile from it! You can imagine how popular it would be if they extended the BSL but I'm sure residents would be against it. NJ would also never fund it, but a BSL extension to Woodbury with stop in National Park and park-and-ride at 295 would be incredible for the region.

This same line of thinking holds if you consider where a lot of the new job growth in the metro has been, which is the Philly 'burbs, which has allowed more growth further west. You're just not seeing the same type of job growth in SJ.
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Old 05-12-2021, 03:01 PM
 
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Two important pieces of the puzzle. Trenton refused to build out the PATCO line into a system in spite of federal money decades ago. Then there was the mess where 295 didn't connect that sat there for decades. Trenton was told to build roads and upgrade existing roads in South Jersey and quit using it as a piggy bank for North Jersey. That resulted in rt 55, which was a complete mess. It was stalled when they ended up in a native American burial ground. Some nicer houses were built to accommodate workers at Pureland, down around exit 10.
Thanks for the history! I was unaware of most of what you wrote.
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Old 05-12-2021, 10:22 PM
 
Location: SW Florida
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Very interesting history and theories. Another place it's really noticeable is when you're flying in to PHL and the route takes you over South Jersey, the Salem nuclear plant, etc. Totally rural as seen from the sky. It just still seems weird to me that as the roads were developed, housing didn't explode in those areas -- such as it did in the western suburbs of Philly. Anyway, thanks for the info!
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Old 05-13-2021, 06:18 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Very interesting history and theories. Another place it's really noticeable is when you're flying in to PHL and the route takes you over South Jersey, the Salem nuclear plant, etc. Totally rural as seen from the sky. It just still seems weird to me that as the roads were developed, housing didn't explode in those areas -- such as it did in the western suburbs of Philly. Anyway, thanks for the info!
I think a lot of it has to due with that the major job centers of South Jersey are located in Camden, Burlington and Mercer County. There just are no major job centers in the lower portion of South Jersey. Gloucester County is growing as an exurban bedroom community due to the lower housing costs but at a fairly slow rate.

Whereas on the Pennsylvania side you have major job centers in all the outer pockets of its suburbs and many even commute to Wilmington in Chester County.

Conshohocken, West Chester, Newtown Square, Malvern, King of Prussia, Ft. Washington, Collegeville, Newtown all are major employment hubs so the growth in those communities just have been more substantial overall.
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Old 05-13-2021, 06:14 PM
 
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Thanks for the history! I was unaware of most of what you wrote.
The PATCO line was built as a working sample for federal money. The federal money was set aside to build a system into Burlington and Gloucester counties. Trenton wanted the money for North Jersey but refused to invest it in South Jersey. That money was eventually put out and that's how Atlanta ended up with their system. The Inquirer wrote about it at the time. The mess with 55, which was dead ended in the Native American burial ground for quite a while was on the evening news repeatedly.

Keep in mind that prior to PATCO, people in South Jersey rode the bus into Center City. It was a Pennsylvania company that provided the bus service. All transportation money went to North Jersey. And yet Trenton was shocked and amazed that the southern counties tried to secede and form another state in 1980.
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Old 05-13-2021, 08:07 PM
 
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Ummm ... you are a year too late. WFH policies have caused SE PA real estate to explode in value. Any house with any bit of land is extremely desirable.
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Old 05-14-2021, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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Ummm ... you are a year too late. WFH policies have caused SE PA real estate to explode in value. Any house with any bit of land is extremely desirable.
I bought a home in the Ambler/Ft Washington area about 2 years ago. It was already extremely difficult back then - homes in nice neighborhoods and in good condition were selling the day they were listed at above the asking price. I can't imagine what it's like now. There just isn't enough of a supply of homes.
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Old 06-04-2021, 11:04 AM
 
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In addition to the other areas referenced, take a look at areas surrounding the Lansdale train line. Harleysville, Colmar, Kulpsville, Schwenksville, Skippack, Montgomeryville, Telford, Eagleville, Collegeville, . Unfortunately, you'd have to tack on a 15 min drive to park at the train station, plus another 45 min - 60 min train ride to center city Philadelphia.

$400k is do-able if you are willing to have a longer commute than 45 mins, or a smaller house. Based on your criteria, I think you'd enjoy Colmar, Schwenksville, or Telford the most.
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