Why does Philadelphia not have a true sports dynasty? (Pittsburgh: college, moving)

[AshbyQuin]

Originally Posted by Hermit12

Philadelphia had a dynasty, Atlanta hasn't. Seattle and Denver haven't.

None of those cities are major cities pop. >1million.

Even then, Atlanta's oldest sports team is from 1966, Denver - 1960, and Seattle - 1967, Meanwhile the Phillies are the oldest ball club in all of pro-sports, and the eagles are the 5th oldest NFL.

[wanderer34]

Originally Posted by gwillyfromphilly

I really wish The A's would've stayed in Philly and kept the city a "2 baseball team town" like NYC, LA, and Chicago. I think having the 2nd MLB team remain in the city would've put more pressure on the Phillies to be championship contenders more often since the 1950's. While I doubt the Phillies would've had a dynasty, I think they would've definitely won their 1st World Series before 1980.

On a technicality, the Angels don't play in LA, they play in Anaheim, in the middle of Orange County, CA. But it would've been interesting see how the A's would've fared had they stayed in Philly. The western US was booming, which is why the Dodgers relocated form Brooklyn to LA, the Giants relocated form Upper Manhattan to San Francisco, and the A's moved from old Shibe Park on 22nd and Lehigh to Kansas City first, then to Oakland.

I believe that 1980 was a great year for the Phillies to win the WS. Before that, during the 1970's, the Phils had a very competitive team, but they couldn't get over the hump, and after the 1978 season, they fired a very good manager in Danny Ozark and hired Dallas Green and 1980 was basically the year for the Phillies.

Originally Posted by gwillyfromphilly

Ironically the A's are planning on relocating from Oakland to Las Vegas. As much as I would love for them to comeback to Philly we all know that the Phillies would fight tooth & nail and do everything within their power to keep the A's or any other MLB franchise from relocating to Philly because they want to be the only MLB team in town despite Philadelphia being the 4th largest sports market in the country

After the A's moved, we've always had four sports teams to root for, one for each sport, and I don't mind it that way. You also have to remember that cities like Boston & even St. Louis also had two baseball teams back int the old days. The old St. Louis Browns became the Baltimore Orioles, and the Boston Braves moved to Milwaukee, and during the mid 60's moved to Atlanta.

Reasons being was that the country was expanding in the West Coast and in the South, so it made a lot of sense for markets in the West coast, and later on in the South to get their own baseball teams rather than allowing Boston, St. Louis, and Philadelphia to have two baseball teams, as well as NY having up to three baseball teams at one point in history. I just say, let bygones be bygones and appreciate what we have!

[wanderer34]

Originally Posted by AshbyQuin

Widely accepted definition per wikipedia: 'A sports dynasty is a team that wins at least 3 championships in a 5-year span.'

You can browse dynasties by respective sport, Philadelphia has 0.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynast...ts)#Basketball

Actually, a dynasty is supposed to be either in one particular decade (the Pittsburgh Steelers & the Montreal Canadiens of the 1970's, the San Francisco 49er's, the New York Islanders, and the Edmonton Oilers of the 1980's, the New York Yankees, the Chicago Bulls) & the Dallas Cowboys of the 1990's) or within a ten-year span regardless of decade (the Detroit Red Wings in 1997, 1998, and 2002 and the New Jersey Devils in 1994, 2000, and 2003).

[wanderer34]

Originally Posted by Hermit12

Philadelphia had a dynasty, Atlanta hasn't. Seattle and Denver haven't.

True! But that dynasty was during the 1910's, a very long time ago, and the Philadelphia A's don't play in Philadelphia anymore. It's the Phillies in Philadelphia, and the modern sports equivalent of a sports dynasty in Philadelphia are the Philadelphia Wings (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philad..._(1987–2014)). The current Philadelphia Wings (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philad...018–present)), don't have the former team's legacy like that and their new logo is straight ass. At least use the old logo, which was very sharp in my book!

[MarketStEl]

Originally Posted by wanderer34

On a technicality, the Angels don't play in LA, they play in Anaheim, in the middle of Orange County, CA. But it would've been interesting see how the A's would've fared had they stayed in Philly. The western US was booming, which is why the Dodgers relocated form Brooklyn to LA, the Giants relocated form Upper Manhattan to San Francisco, and the A's moved from old Shibe Park on 22nd and Lehigh to Kansas City first, then to Oakland.

I believe that 1980 was a great year for the Phillies to win the WS. Before that, during the 1970's, the Phils had a very competitive team, but they couldn't get over the hump, and after the 1978 season, they fired a very good manager in Danny Ozark and hired Dallas Green and 1980 was basically the year for the Phillies.



After the A's moved, we've always had four sports teams to root for, one for each sport, and I don't mind it that way. You also have to remember that cities like Boston & even St. Louis also had two baseball teams back int the old days. The old St. Louis Browns became the Baltimore Orioles, and the Boston Braves moved to Milwaukee, and during the mid 60's moved to Atlanta.

Reasons being was that the country was expanding in the West Coast and in the South, so it made a lot of sense for markets in the West coast, and later on in the South to get their own baseball teams rather than allowing Boston, St. Louis, and Philadelphia to have two baseball teams, as well as NY having up to three baseball teams at one point in o. I just say, let bygones be bygones and appreciate what we have!

FWIW, there was a proposal for a third major league in the late 1950s. The initial cities in the proposed Continental League eventually all got AL or NL expansion franchises, though it took Denver some time to get its team. The AL and NL were hostile to this idea, and ultimately, the Continental League folded before even playing a single game in its startup season of 1961. (The Wikipedia article suggests that the proposed third major league was announced mainly to light a fire under the AL and NL to expand and bring NL baseball back to New York. Once that happened with the granting of the New York Mets franchise and the commitments by both leagues to add eight teams over the next decade, the Continental League quietly folded.)

That was also the year the American Football League began play. That league proved more durable than its baseball counterpart, and its TV contract with NBC ensured it the revenues it needed to catch on and grow to the point where it and the NFL became one in 1971.

[Hermit12]

Originally Posted by AshbyQuin

Widely accepted definition per wikipedia: 'A sports dynasty is a team that wins at least 3 championships in a 5-year span.'

You can browse dynasties by respective sport, Philadelphia has 0.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynast...ts)#Basketball

From your link:

"Philadelphia Athletics from 1910 to 1914; The Athletics won 3 World Series titles in 4 years in 1910, 1911, and 1913. The Athletics also won a pennant in 1914. They were known for their "$100,000 Infield".[39]

[Hermit12]

Originally Posted by AshbyQuin

None of those cities are major cities pop. >1million.

Even then, Atlanta's oldest sports team is from 1966, Denver - 1960, and Seattle - 1967, Meanwhile the Phillies are the oldest ball club in all of pro-sports, and the eagles are the 5th oldest NFL.

There are five MLB teams that have been around longer than the Phillies.

[Hermit12]

Originally Posted by wanderer34

True! But that dynasty was during the 1910's, a very long time ago, and the Philadelphia A's don't play in Philadelphia anymore. It's the Phillies in Philadelphia, and the modern sports equivalent of a sports dynasty in Philadelphia are the Philadelphia Wings (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philad..._(1987–2014)). The current Philadelphia Wings (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philad...018–present)), don't have the former team's legacy like that and their new logo is straight ass. At least use the old logo, which was very sharp in my book!

What do the Wings play?

[AshbyQuin]

Originally Posted by Hermit12

There are five MLB teams that have been around longer than the Phillies.

“Shortly after the team was founded in 1883 as the “Quakers”, they changed their name to the Phillies, making the Philadelphia Phillies the oldest, continuous, one-name, as well as one-city franchise in any American professional sport”

[AshbyQuin]

Originally Posted by Hermit12

From your link:

"Philadelphia Athletics from 1910 to 1914; The Athletics won 3 World Series titles in 4 years in 1910, 1911, and 1913. The Athletics also won a pennant in 1914. They were known for their "$100,000 Infield".[39]

The Athletics are now a Bay Area team.