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Old 03-07-2007, 12:46 PM
 
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I am looking into these two areas for both living in and opening a restaurant. I need some pros and cons, safety issues, nightlife, etc... I need to make a decision, unless an amazing property makes it for me.
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Old 03-07-2007, 03:22 PM
 
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Personally I'd lean towards University City. U.Penn is a money machine. They aren't going anywhere anytime soon. They've probably invested $10 B dollars into the neighborhood over the past 25 years and currently have a couple more billion dollars of projects underway including a couple huge residential projects.

UC already has a nice vibe but in 10 years that place is going to be hopping. The local IRS is supposedly moving into the old Postal building bringing 4000 employees. Brandywine Realty which just built the flashy Cira Centre Tower has big plans in University City. Drexel is expanding. Philadelphia Science Center is expanding. Schuylkill River Trail. Between Students and hospital staff theres about 150,000 daytime population with another 250,000 center city pop. across the walnut street bridge.

The only downfall in UC right now is the summer slowdown, but in the future(within next 5-10 years) I think thats going to change as UC becomes an extention of center city.


Northern liberties is up and coming but not in University City's league.

Good luck
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Old 03-07-2007, 04:25 PM
 
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What kind of restaurant?
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Old 03-07-2007, 05:34 PM
 
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Personally I'd lean towards University City. U.Penn is a money machine. They aren't going anywhere anytime soon. They've probably invested $10 B dollars into the neighborhood over the past 25 years and currently have a couple more billion dollars of projects underway including a couple huge residential projects.

UC already has a nice vibe but in 10 years that place is going to be hopping. The local IRS is supposedly moving into the old Postal building bringing 4000 employees. Brandywine Realty which just built the flashy Cira Centre Tower has big plans in University City. Drexel is expanding. Philadelphia Science Center is expanding. Schuylkill River Trail. Between Students and hospital staff theres about 150,000 daytime population with another 250,000 center city pop. across the walnut street bridge.

The only downfall in UC right now is the summer slowdown, but in the future(within next 5-10 years) I think thats going to change as UC becomes an extention of center city.


Northern liberties is up and coming but not in University City's league.

Good luck
Thanks so much, this was great information! I was definately leaning towards UC, but was worried a bit about crime because I've heard that in west philly crime is high.... I am guessing that the good areas are close to the bad ones? It seems promising to invest in this area though, now that I know that people have started to come across the bridge. My only concern now is that on yelp.com, there don't seem to be too many restaurants compared to center city. Is the district to become more entertainment-ish in the future plans?

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What kind of restaurant?
A non-traditional sushi bar, and NOT planning on charging an arm and a leg for one roll, lol.
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Old 03-07-2007, 07:02 PM
 
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I would choose Northern Liberties. I work at Penn and it is true Penn has put tons of money in the neighborhood but really it is not that great. There are a couple good places to eat...a lot of college students. Northern Liberties has undergone a huge change recently. I just went to an awesome restaurant there called Copper Market. There are some other awesome places to eat. Much more of a late 20-30's crowd and less of a college crowd. Building like crazy. Lots of new yorkers moving in there. I was shocked at how nice it was when I went a couple weeks ago and my husband and I have been back 3 times since. I don't know much about apartments and safety but it is a much cooler area then University City.
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Old 03-10-2007, 10:07 AM
 
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Well, I currently live in University City. It's fun here, but I am getting married soon and after much debate, we chose to buy a place in the NoLib. Plain and simple, UC is fun, but NoLib is a real NEIGHBORHOOD. People know each other, look out for one another, there is a real sense of community. UC is changing a lot. The real push out to the upper 40's and lower 50's is over. UPENN itself declared last year in Philly Mag that they wanted to bring the crowd back to the upper 30's and low 40's, so you will have a neighborhood in flux.

Honestly, we could have gotten more for the $$ is we bought out here, but there is just something nice about not having a bunch of hooligans running around (local kids who vandalize everything in site) or a bunch of drunk 18 year olds away from home for the first time.

Spend some time in both neighborhoods, you will see that UC is a lot of fun, but deceptive, it's NEVER going to be huge in the summer. I don't care what UPENN does, this place DIES in the summer.

NoLibs has year round activity, and 25-30 somethings everywhere. I'd much rather base a business around them, than the drunken 18 year olds. Go spend time at North 3rd, or Standard Tap, Druid's Keep or Azure. I think THESE are the kinds of people who would be interested in your type of business.
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Old 03-10-2007, 10:12 AM
 
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also, as far as safety goes, look at the murder map. 0 killings in NoLibs, TONS in UC.

http://inquirer.philly.com/graphics/murders_map/

West Philly HS is a WARZONE

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/16874374.htm (broken link)

West Philly is TOO close to UC, trust and believe. Hit up the some spots around UC and just watch the hooligans. Panhandlers everywhere. It's worse than center city as far that goes.

Not saying NoLib is perfect by ANY means, but MUCH less violent crime happens there.

Also, check out this site for NoLib info. (great message board)

http://www.northernliberties.org/

good luck with your business.
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Old 03-10-2007, 10:28 AM
 
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also, as far as safety goes, look at the murder map. 0 killings in NoLibs, TONS in UC.
More crime in UC vs No lib? Yes mainly because its about 5 times as large as N.Lib.

Tons of murders in UC? No

West Philly HS is a WARZONE? Yes but thats West Philadelphia not University City. Keep in mind University City has its own formidable police force.


Both neighborhoods have both positive and negatives.

Northern Libs has a ton of potential especially with the impending casinos nearby, and they are supposedly building a 70 story mixed use skyscraper.
That wouldn't be a bad choice. But it is what it is. Lunches are going to be slow, dinners moderate.Weekends hot.

However for me University City led by that money machine U. Penn is the the way to go. What is there 50,000 students between Penn,Drexel,USP. Another 100,00 daytime population with UPH,Science center,Post office/IRS upcoming. 30th Street station, you are right across the river from Center City? Not too far in the distant future UC is going to be CC. Lunches booming, dinner solid. Weekends hot.

The panhandlers follow the people with the money. There is a reason they are in UC and not in NO. Libs right now.
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Old 03-10-2007, 10:43 PM
 
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West Philadelphia HS is in the the boundaries of the "University City District." UCity isn't some discrete entity; it's just a name for the University-influenced eastern part of West Philly. There's no hard margin where it "ends." I've never had problems with panhandlers in West Philly. The high school kids suck everywhere.

Northern Liberties was pretty abandoned ten years ago and lots of the expansion in that area has been in formerly-vacant and underutilized structures, whereas gentrification in West Philly has pushed low income African American families out. That's a big difference... Northern Liberties didn't have many people there before it got "hot."

I don't think a Sushi restaurant has an overwhelmingly better or worse chance in either spot.
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Old 03-11-2007, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Villanova Pa.
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West Philadelphia HS is in the the boundaries of the "University City District." UCity isn't some discrete entity; it's just a name for the University-influenced eastern part of West Philly. There's no hard margin where it "ends."

True but I'm under the impression the OP was more interested in opening his restaurant closer to the University area as opposed to 50th + Locust.
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