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Old 04-28-2011, 08:23 AM
 
Location: a swanky suburb in my fancy pants
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you live in philly and have not heard of stu?

he's a grumpy old man who complains about everything, perhaps long ago he championed animal, civil, and human rights, today he mostly just champions the right to be a grouch.

He hates bikes and bicyclists. he wants them to banned from Philadelphia streets. He was a big opponent of all the bike lanes being put into philly.
That hardly makes him unique. The only people who don't complain about bikes are the ones who ride them. The irony is that they are more of a hazzard to the bike riders themselves, although they are also a danger to pedestrians and a headache for drivers. If you can't afford a car then take the bus is my motto.
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Old 04-28-2011, 09:06 AM
 
Location: The City
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you live in philly and have not heard of stu?

he's a grumpy old man who complains about everything, perhaps long ago he championed animal, civil, and human rights, today he mostly just champions the right to be a grouch.

He hates bikes and bicyclists. he wants them to banned from Philadelphia streets. He was a big opponent of all the bike lanes being put into philly.

To me the bike lanes have been pretty succesful; no real issues with traffic. Personally I find Spruce street better overall as a result. Plus on a personal level i can double park without much concern for a few minutes to load/unload crap now making life a little easier at times.

But really I think overall they are a benefit with little impact to any car flow and it is nice to see them getting utilized more and more.
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Old 04-28-2011, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Philly
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I've lived here 25 years as a pedestrian, and I have to say Philly drivers are pretty bad, from Septa buses that think "red" should be called "near green", to drivers who think crosswalks are "perpendicular parking". A co-worker of mine ended up on the hood of a car at 5th & Bainbridge though he wasn't hurt. He walked away from it and the driver yelled at him for breaking his mirror. My general thoughts on Philly as a pedestrian town are that it is awful. Even if you don't mind the drivers, the city lets restaurants take over most of the sidewalks with tables, which is a real hazard in Center City, bicycle laws are not enforced (yes, there is an ordinance against riding bikes on the sidewalk). I've adapted to the situation, but it has made me a more aggressive pedestrian, which is not something I am happy about. I joked with my mother once that I leave the house like Captain Kangaroo and arrive at work like Jack Nicholson.
jersey drivers are probably the worst on the east coast
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Old 04-28-2011, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista
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That hardly makes him unique. The only people who don't complain about bikes are the ones who ride them. The irony is that they are more of a hazzard to the bike riders themselves, although they are also a danger to pedestrians and a headache for drivers. If you can't afford a car then take the bus is my motto.
your motto is pretty awful and doesn't really take into account the fact that many people ride bikes for exercise, enjoyment, and due to environmental concerns.

oh well. more people are riding bikes now than ever and those numbers will just continue to increase as the city continues to take steps to add more bike lanes and make the city more bike friendly. so you might as well get used it... or become one of stu's disciples. Stu complains about many things that the old and grumpy enjoy complaining about so you'll likely find a lot to enjoy about him.

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To me the bike lanes have been pretty succesful; no real issues with traffic. Personally I find Spruce street better overall as a result. Plus on a personal level i can double park without much concern for a few minutes to load/unload crap now making life a little easier at times.

But really I think overall they are a benefit with little impact to any car flow and it is nice to see them getting utilized more and more.
Agree! I use them daily. What we need now is more of them! A nice long Bike lane heading north and another heading south! I think 20th and 21th street would be perfect!
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Old 04-28-2011, 09:35 AM
 
Location: The City
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your motto is pretty awful and doesn't really take into account the fact that many people ride bikes for exercise, enjoyment, and due to environmental concerns.

oh well. more people are riding bikes now than ever and those numbers will just continue to increase as the city continues to take steps to add more bike lanes and make the city more bike friendly. so you might as well get used it... or become one of stu's disciples. Stu complains about many things that the old and grumpy enjoy complaining about so you'll likely find a lot to enjoy about him.



Agree! I use them daily. What we need now is more of them! A nice long Bike lane heading north and another heading south! I think 20th and 21th street would be perfect!
Apparently the N/S lanes are in the works but not sure which streets
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Old 04-29-2011, 07:33 AM
 
Location: SouthEastern PeeAye
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Philly is not on the east coast,it's inland
Huh? This is similar to what what New Yorkers think and say when you talk to them in Jim Thorpe or the Poconos, they believe they are in the rocky mountains at the very end of civilization.
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Old 04-29-2011, 07:34 AM
 
Location: The City
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Apparently the N/S lanes are in the works but not sure which streets

Actually today it was announced that 10th and 13th will be the N/S bike lanes
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Old 04-29-2011, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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Some moron followed me all the way from Conshohocken into East Falls this morning ... because I honked at him when he cut me off.

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To me the bike lanes have been pretty succesful; no real issues with traffic. Personally I find Spruce street better overall as a result. Plus on a personal level i can double park without much concern for a few
There are some studies being done -- wish I could remember where or by whom -- about how reducing traffic lanes, especially in inner cities, actually has a calming effect on traffic and has not been shown to increase congestion.
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Old 04-29-2011, 09:52 AM
 
Location: The City
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Some moron followed me all the way from Conshohocken into East Falls this morning ... because I honked at him when he cut me off.


There are some studies being done -- wish I could remember where or by whom -- about how reducing traffic lanes, especially in inner cities, actually has a calming effect on traffic and has not been shown to increase congestion.

Well in practice it seems to be the case - sorry about the A-hole - must have a been a construction merging situation
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Old 04-29-2011, 10:05 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista
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Actually today it was announced that 10th and 13th will be the N/S bike lanes
hurray for more bike lanes!

...although i am a bit puzzled by this decision. 10th street I think is a good choice to head south on... but 13th st???

13th street in center city is already super congested, i really can't imagine that a bike lane there will be well received.

although i am of course not a city planer and know nothing about traffic flow so hopefully they know what they're doing. regardless of where it's located... i'm really happy
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