Question About Philadelphia Sports: Hockey/Football (live in, retired, ratings)

[rainrock]

Originally Posted by eggtimer

with that said, even when the flyers make a run to the finals or conference finals this town is nothing like when the sixers, eagles, or phillies do it. yes, people are excited, but when it's basketball, baseball, or football this town goes berserk.

I disagree. Clearly the Eagles are #1, Phillies second followed by the Flyers and then the Sixers.

I dont see how you can make the argument , all things being equal, that the Sixers garner more excitement than the Flyers. The data(box office + tv radio ratings) doesnt support that argument. The Flyers seem to be a solidly backed albeit niche sport in the region, the Sixers arent even on the radar screen.

Philadlephia has 2 full time sports radio stations and tragically 95% of the airtime goes towards the Eagles.

[subwayfan]

Originally Posted by JHG722

First of all, 95% of Celts fans are bandwagon fans.
Second, people in BMore will likely root for the Caps and Wizards.

Bandwagon fans - not sure how to break that down, but I'm sure every team that has won a championship recently has them. Bmore -they're not as strong as fans for the DC teams. While the markets are conjoined, and one living in Baltimore can get to a DC game in an hour or so, they are still different cities and markets. Baltimore to DC, isn't just Monmouth County, NJ to NYC, even though drive time is about the same. Baltimore Local tv stations are different, FM also, and Bmore stations dont usually plug the DC teams. Pace is different in both markets too. DC is supposedly more transient of a market for upwardly mobile people as they say, too.

Anyways its not like nearby city NBA teams to the Sixers, that is the Wizards, Nets, and Knicks are very hot either, so I doubt there is much rooting for the Wizards in Baltimore. No strong rivalry between the Sixers and the Knicks, atleast its dormant, when neither are that competitive.

Cities in East Coast Conference with 40 wins or more: First number W, Second number L.
East Coast:
Cleveland: 61 14
Boston: 57 19
Orlando: 55 19
Atlanta: 43 32

West Coast:
L.A. Lakers: 59 16
Denver: 50 26
San Antonio: 48 26
Houston: 48 27
New Orleans: 47 27
Portland: 47 27
Utah: 46 29
Dallas: 45 30
Phoenix: 41 34

This is obviously not the first year where West outranks East. And if you counter that possibly Orlando and Atlanta are sunbelt like the west, its no wonder NHL over time does better as the winter pro sport for a city like Philly, NFL aside.

[FlyersFan]

The Flyers are unlike any other nhl team.......theres not enough space here to explain why.....if you really want to understand why Flyer fans are so passionate and loyal you have to understand the history of the team and its owner.......I suggest you research this back to the teams origins in 1967 and expecially the early to mid 70s when they earned the name of "Broad Street Bullies".....it all stems from there.

[JHG722]

Originally Posted by subwayfan

Bandwagon fans - not sure how to break that down, but I'm sure every team that has won a championship recently has them. Bmore -they're not as strong as fans for the DC teams. While the markets are conjoined, and one living in Baltimore can get to a DC game in an hour or so, they are still different cities and markets. Baltimore to DC, isn't just Monmouth County, NJ to NYC, even though drive time is about the same. Baltimore Local tv stations are different, FM also, and Bmore stations dont usually plug the DC teams. Pace is different in both markets too. DC is supposedly more transient of a market for upwardly mobile people as they say, too.

Anyways its not like nearby city NBA teams to the Sixers, that is the Wizards, Nets, and Knicks are very hot either, so I doubt there is much rooting for the Wizards in Baltimore. No strong rivalry between the Sixers and the Knicks, atleast its dormant, when neither are that competitive.

Cities in East Coast Conference with 40 wins or more: First number W, Second number L.
East Coast:
Cleveland: 61 14
Boston: 57 19
Orlando: 55 19
Atlanta: 43 32

West Coast:
L.A. Lakers: 59 16
Denver: 50 26
San Antonio: 48 26
Houston: 48 27
New Orleans: 47 27
Portland: 47 27
Utah: 46 29
Dallas: 45 30
Phoenix: 41 34

This is obviously not the first year where West outranks East. And if you counter that possibly Orlando and Atlanta are sunbelt like the west, its no wonder NHL over time does better as the winter pro sport for a city like Philly, NFL aside.

I honestly find this post to be very difficult to decipher. Yes, BMore does not have NBA or NHL teams, but other than transplants, I'm sure plenty of people support the Wizards and Caps.

The West has always been better than the East in the NBA.

I have no idea what your last point is, but again, the majority of the east cares more about hockey.

[FlyersFan]

Originally Posted by eggtimer

the flyers on the other hand have built quality teams and attracted loyal fans since coming into the league. with that said, even when the flyers make a run to the finals or conference finals this town is nothing like when the sixers, eagles, or phillies do it. yes, people are excited, but when it's basketball, baseball, or football this town goes berserk.

Really.....then I'd like to hear an explanation why the Flyers drew 2 million people to their championship parades.....TWICE......neither the Phillies nor the Sixers drew anything even close to that......while the Phillies stadium can draw over 70,000 fans its usually only half full....if that.....what you don't seem to understand is that only 20,000 can fit in to see the Flyers and there are 10s of thousands additional loyal fans that just can't get tickets.....the Flyers building is filled even to see them play the bottom teams in the nhl and the cost of that ticket is about 4 times that for a Phillies game. While you hear Phillies, Sixers and Eagles fans constantly whine and complain its seldom that you hear an unhappy word from a Flyers fan. The only reason it seems like there is more excitement over the other teams is that they get more TV coverage when they do well which isn't nearly as often or consistant as the Flyers.

[subwayfan]

Originally Posted by JHG722

I honestly find this post to be very difficult to decipher. Yes, BMore does not have NBA or NHL teams, but other than transplants, I'm sure plenty of people support the Wizards and Caps.

The West has always been better than the East in the NBA.

I have no idea what your last point is, but again, the majority of the east cares more about hockey.

You must not have opened the link provided by the OP. In Boston, the Celtics get more ratings attendance etc. than the Bruins. Celtics have local interest because the Celtics do well. In other East markets like Atlanta its the same. The same would be true if Sixers did as well, that is more interest in recent times if they werent the 7th seed team on the East or whatever, or atleast it'd be close (between Sixers and Flyers).... You claimed Boston's deal was because Celtics was bandwagon thing The Flyers have held well compared to other NHL teams, but the Sixers not so respective to other NBA teams. Anyways thats the point. Disregard the Bmore as it was out of topic to the main topic, on my part.

[JHG722]

Originally Posted by subwayfan

You must not have opened the link provided by the OP. In Boston, the Celtics get more ratings attendance etc. than the Bruins. Celtics have local interest because the Celtics do well. In other East markets like Atlanta its the same. The same would be true if Sixers did as well, that is more interest in recent times if they werent the 7th seed team on the East or whatever, or atleast it'd be close (between Sixers and Flyers).... You claimed Boston's deal was because Celtics was bandwagon thing The Flyers have held well compared to other NHL teams, but the Sixers not so respective to other NBA teams. Anyways thats the point. Disregard the Bmore as it was out of topic to the main topic, on my part.

Ummmm no. The Sixers are doing well and no one cares.

[JHG722]

Originally Posted by FlyersFan

Really.....then I'd like to hear an explanation why the Flyers drew 2 million people to their championship parades.....TWICE......neither the Phillies nor the Sixers drew anything even close to that......while the Phillies stadium can draw over 70,000 fans its usually only half full....if that.....what you don't seem to understand is that only 20,000 can fit in to see the Flyers and there are 10s of thousands additional loyal fans that just can't get tickets.....the Flyers building is filled even to see them play the bottom teams in the nhl and the cost of that ticket is about 4 times that for a Phillies game. While you hear Phillies, Sixers and Eagles fans constantly whine and complain its seldom that you hear an unhappy word from a Flyers fan. The only reason it seems like there is more excitement over the other teams is that they get more TV coverage when they do well which isn't nearly as often or consistant as the Flyers.

Phillies parade attracts two-million plus | Its Our City | WHYY

[rainrock]

Originally Posted by JHG722

Ummmm no. The Sixers are doing well and no one cares.

The Sixers have been irrelevant since the Dr J days. Pat Croce who is the master at marketing got interest going in the Sixers a decade ago(Iverson) but since he(Croce) left the air completely went out of the Sixers balloon.


The Sixers made the palyoffs last year and about 12,000 people showed up for the home playoff games. The Flyers get 19,000 fans for pre season games. The Sixers will need superstar along the lines of Lebron/Kobe or an NBA championship appearance to get fan interst back imo.

[lititzman2003]

Originally Posted by rainrock

The Sixers have been irrelevant since the Dr J days. Pat Croce who is the master at marketing got interest going in the Sixers a decade ago(Iverson) but since he(Croce) left the air completely went out of the Sixers balloon.


The Sixers made the palyoffs last year and about 12,000 people showed up for the home playoff games. The Flyers get 19,000 fans for pre season games. The Sixers will need superstar along the lines of Lebron/Kobe or an NBA championship appearance to get fan interst back imo.

Excellent points, rainrock. It seems that every year the Flyers produce a standout player and that draws even more interest to the team. This year it's been Jeff Carter. I don't know many people who can name more then three members of the Sixer's team.