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Old 03-14-2011, 05:23 AM
 
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Something like a metrocard is gravely needed in Philly. It really is a pain in the *** when I have to go to a window and the clerk will be like, "yeah we don't have tokens, but you'll be able to use a card in 3 to 4 years". Its hilarious, you can't help but to laugh (this happened to me just a few days ago when I was down in philly). I know me, personally I "grew" up using metrocards and I think a similar system would be really good for Philadelphia, especially for people visiting the city who are using public transportation. I don't have a car, so whenever I'm down there I rely on SEPTA to get around the city and using tokens is just really frustrating.
For me, I was way more confused by the Metrocard than I was by tokens.

Nexis4Jersey is right about those computer chip cards. And it's not that simple. People stand in front of the machines for like 5 minutes in Minneapolis trying to figure out how to work the machines, and then just get on the train without paying because they can't figure it out. Saw it all the time. Although I assume Philadelphia would have a better fare checking system as opposed to random police searches. My point is, it's pretty confusing for out of town visitors.

The concept behind the token is extremely easy. You have tokens, they have rides: you give them a token, they give you a ride. I'm no world traveler, but out of the 6 or 7 cities I've used public transit in, SEPTA was the least confusing to learn.
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Old 03-14-2011, 07:59 AM
 
Location: back in Philadelphia!
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Again, I don't think the problem is with the tokens themselves, it's with how hard SEPTA's made it to buy the tokens. It was easy when there were token machines at every stop, but the situation now IS a pain.

If there was a card system but then you couldn't buy cards easily at every station, it would be the exact same problem.
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Old 03-14-2011, 10:57 AM
 
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Someone refresh my memory - Pittsburgh's PAT is upgrading it's fare collection system to SmartCards as we speak with full Go Live targeted next Spring..... Why wasn't SEPTA able to upgrade aren't they both state funded projects....

Thought I read someone both PAT and SEPTA had similar timelines for upgrading Fare Collection? Not the Regional Rail but the City and Suburban Divisions atleast.
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Old 03-14-2011, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Philly
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Someone refresh my memory - Pittsburgh's PAT is upgrading it's fare collection system to SmartCards as we speak with full Go Live targeted next Spring..... Why wasn't SEPTA able to upgrade aren't they both state funded projects....

Thought I read someone both PAT and SEPTA had similar timelines for upgrading Fare Collection? Not the Regional Rail but the City and Suburban Divisions atleast.
SEPTA had planned on upgrading it's fare system but state funding dried up. in the current SEPTA has approved the issuance of debt to overhaul the fare system...which should be complete in the next three years. it's probably not the most important thing (look at chicago, they got rid of tokens but they're infrastructure was in such bad shape trains were slowed to 5 mph and people got trapped in broken down trains, etc)
SEPTA | SEPTA To Hold New Payment Technology Information Session

PAT would be a whole lot better off if they could have lowered the cost per seat mile. (not that I'm against modern fare systems)
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