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Old 06-27-2009, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Villanova Pa.
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In 95% of the cities in the usa the nba franchise outdraws the nhl franchise in attendance and ratings usually by a wide margin.

Hockey Only Beating Hoops on TV in Three Markets « Puck The Media

Philadelphia is only 1 of 3 markets where the NHL franchise outdraws the NBA franchise.

Flyers avg attendance- 19,428(99.6%)
Sixers avg attendance- 14,536(71.5%) this figure seems inflated to me.

Flyers tv ratings( 2.2)
Sixers tv rating (1.5)

The only other markets where the NHL outdraws the NBA is Minnesota + Washington.

What is the cause of this phenomenon?
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Old 06-28-2009, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Philly
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the sixers are a poorly run organization, plain and simple. to be fair, there are only certain places that are comparable (you can't worry about low hockey attendance in the south, wehre there's rarely any ice)
Quote:
Attendance
Nuggets: 16,820 (87.8%)
Avalanche:
15,797 (87.7%)
TV Ratings
Nuggets:
1.8
Avalanche: 1.7
Detroit
NBA:
Pistons
NHL: Red Wings
Attendance
Pistons: 22,076 (100%)
Red Wings:
19,724 (98.3%)
TV Ratings
Pistons: 3.9
Red Wings:
3.7
Attendance
Timberwolves:
13,730 (70.9%)
Wild: 18,568 (102.8%)
TV Ratings
Timberwolves:
1.1
Wild: 2.2

Attendance
Nets: 15,152 (75.8%)
Devils: 15,313 (86.9%)

Attendance
Wizards:
16,854 (83.5%)
Capitals: 17,973 (96.3%)

that said, Philadelphia is the best sports market in the country from one perspective. I recently read it's the only large metro with such a deep sports penetration. a lot of smaller markets have deep penetration but, of course, the market is smaller.
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Old 07-10-2009, 10:59 AM
 
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The reason for the phenomenom is that Philadelphia fans have always appreciated the Flyers more then the Sixers. For some reason, the breed of hockey that the Flyers have always done, very physical and passionate, has always been reflected by the fans and players alike, and both parties can relate (especially once the players get infected by the Flyers brand of hockey, and they *ALWAYS* love it). Also, Philly fans appreciate heart and soul and toughness in their sports, and hate all prima donnas. This is why there is such a hatred for Sidney Crosby. They respect the skill, hate the attitude.Anyways, in basketball, almost the entire league is prima donna based nowadays. It's not like back in the 70's and early-mid 80's where players were much more relatable to the fans, and back then, the Philadelphia fans loved that. The old Sixers teams showed passion and heart (though it's kinda hard to show the toughness factor that we love in basketball). Nowadays, these guys are mostly big wusses on the court, and the Sixers just have no draw unless they're really really good. Since Allen Iverson left, the Sixers had no draw with the fans. There's only two things that Philly fans are really attracted to. Heart, and talent. The Sixers, overall, lack these two things. They have some talent, but not enough. For example. One of the most beloved sports figures in Philaldelphia sports history is a man named Vince Papale. Remember the movie "Invinceable" with Mark Wahlberg? That's who the story is about (though there is some hollywood for dramatic affect in it). Anyways, the Philly fans totally admire and love that guy, even though he was almost exclusively a special teams player, rarely contributed to anything big to the Eagles success in the late 70's, and only played for 3 years. He was tough as nails, and he got that way because of his passionate Philadelphian sports spirit that he had, and took with him when he tried out for the Eagles in Dick Vermiel's open tryouts. He succeeded, and he went on to play. And even when he was getting creamed during a play, he would get up. Showing his resiliancy and heart for the game, which came from being a Philly fan. He wasn't that good, but he had arguebly the biggest heart for the game on that team. I hope this explains the phenomonem a bit better. Also, Ed Snider runs the Flyers much better because he loves and understands hockey. Basketball? Just a minor money maker for him.
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Old 07-10-2009, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Philly
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Snider should sell the sixers
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Old 07-10-2009, 12:39 PM
 
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Originally Posted by pman View Post
Snider should sell the sixers

As a Philly born and bred Laker's fan, I agree. Sell the sixers, We really don't need a basketball team. When are the Flyers actually gonna win something away?
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