09-07-2009, 10:46 PM
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Hello all,
I'm considering taking a fantastic job in Lancaster, PA, but as a single guy approaching his mid-thirties I'm concerned there may be very few single women to date in the 25-35 range. I'm thinking about doing a reverse commute from Philadelphia by car or train to broaden my social options when I'm not at work.
I would appreciate recommendations on-
1-The better areas to live in Philadelphia to promote meeting 25-35yr singles? (I'm not someone who lives to go to bars every night, now and then is fine, but not the mainstay of my social life) (Similar with live music) I tend to mix things up between a variety of cultural and outdoor activities, I appreciate living near where major events occur, but that's not a requirement.
2-Which of those areas in Philadephia have the quickest commute options to Lancaster? For driving, going opposite the usual commuting direction each day may help, but I'm totally unfamiliar with the area so I don't want to assume anything particularly with connecting interchanges, and state highways as I-76 isn't exactly a direct east-west freeway and I wonder if some of the smaller roads would be quicker depending on what part of town you were coming from. Regarding rail, I heard a rumor of an "express" train going between Lancaster and downtown Philadelphia that is supposed to cut the trip in half from 70 minutes to 35 minutes, but I don't know this for sure and would appreciate local input.
I'll make enough at the job that I could live anywhere in Philly and don't mind spending extra to live in a fun area, but I don't need to totally burn money to live in "coolest" part of town, either. I'm leaning toward downtown in general as it would be straightforward to do a metro-30th street station-Lancaster commute, and that way I'd be close to a lot of things when I'm off work, but the 70min train ride X metro ride X 2 would eat 3hrs out of my day. I don't know Philadelphia that well and if there are other areas farther out from downtown that would still fit my social requirements but allow for a quicker car/rail commute, I'd love to hear about them.
Thank you all for your suggestions!
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09-08-2009, 05:40 AM
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The train may work if your job in Lancaster is close to the train station - you'd have plenty of choices that would get you to 30th Street station easily. If not, the driving would be a killer from Center City, probably in the 90 minute or better range. 76 would be your best bet - route 30 is more direct but is much slower because of all the lights. You might consider Conshohocken or King of Prussia which are further west along 76 but still relatively close to the city.
09-08-2009, 01:51 PM
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Live close to 30th st or directly off the el to minimize commute times. that leaves, northern liberties, old city, washington sq west, and directly west of broad. It's feasible to walk from rittenhouse and certainly form logan square to 30th st.
the only other options I'd look into is Paoli which is a stop on ALL Keystone trains. there are a few apartments within walking distance of the train station (parking sucks at the station) and it cuts off 22 minutes off the schedule to lancaster. Paoli doesn't have a lot of nightlife but it has a few restaurants but it does have excellent trains service to Philadelphia including trains as late as 1:45 am from center city on saturdays. like I said in another thread, don't count on 35 minute rides, though it's possible they will be shortened somewhat (an express is 63 minutes, not 70) in the near future.
09-08-2009, 02:21 PM
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Where abouts is your job in Lancaster? If its not near the Lancaster station (roughly Duke and Mcgovern) you could potentially have quite a walk. If you're going to drive, best bet is 76 to exit 286, 222 South into Lancaster (this would mean tolls, but trains cost money too..). I wouldn't mess around with rt 30. You could look into places near rt 100 and the turnpike or off main line in places like downingtown, exton, malvern, paoli...you would have close proximity to west chester - which is somewhat of a young professionals hub - and still be near train stations for going into CC or Lancaster as well as close to the turnpike.
09-08-2009, 02:47 PM
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I agree that West Chester would be a decent 20something hub that would split the difference between Philly and Lancaster.
09-08-2009, 08:15 PM
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Try West Chester. Even as a reverse commute, the drive from Philly to Lancaster would be hell. The Schuylkill Expressway jams up in both directions, and even at random times like 1am.
09-08-2009, 10:13 PM
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I greatly appreciate all the thoughts that have been shared so far.
Good to learn that doing the complete reverse commute may not be worth the pain. The more I looked into it, the more I was worried it wouldn't work. Does anyone know if there will be an "express" train route in the next year or so between Lancaster and Philly, supposedly only a 35 min ride. I don't know if this is just a rumor.
Can anyone tell me more about West Chester? It wasn't on my radar before. I'd especially love to hear more about the 25-35yr old single scene in the area. (i.e. older than college undergrads but not into cougar territory)
Did I understand correctly that West Chester is near a train station that could take me directly to CC? That would be fantastic as I wouldn't need to fight downtown traffic with my car when heading to the city for various activities.
09-09-2009, 12:00 AM
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As for an "express" train route between Lancaster and Philly...I know not too long ago the Keystone route (which is the route between Harrisburg and Philly) was updated to improve speeds in certain areas near Lancaster. With the new government stimulus funds, the Keystone corridor may be a candidate for more high-speed upgrades.
There was a news blurb about this in the Inquirer the other day:
Pa. asks U.S. for $28million for high-speed rail | Philadelphia Inquirer | 08/25/2009 (http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local/20090825_Pa__asks_U_S__for__28million_for_high-speed_rail.html - broken link)
Whether this would actually happen or when, who knows.
For now, the ride from the 30th st. station to Lancaster is about an hour.
As far as I know, West Chester does not have commuter trains that go into CC. But you wouldn't be too far from the R5 rail, which you could pick up at Exton in about a 10 min drive from West Chester. Theres also bus transportation by SEPTA.
09-09-2009, 09:11 PM
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the train ride now is 63 minuteson on an express. This MAY change within the next year or two but I GUARANTEE that 35 minutes will be more like 3-5 years if it happens. It just takes that long to upgrade all the necessary infrastructure. You may get some time each year but you're not going to get the whole chunk. driving would be insane. West chester is a short drive from a long ride to center city and most trains on weekends don't run past Malvern. Moreover, if you intend to go bar hopping or have a few beers at a baseball game, you still have to drive home. Paoli and Ardmore both have Amtrak AND SEPTA stops. sadly, Ardmore is the better fit demographically but it's not a stop on ALL Amtrak trains. As family oriented as Paoli is, it might be a decent compromise. It's ~42 minutes to Lancaster by train and there are a few places to rent within walking distance of the station as well as a few places to go in town or nearby (Malvern). Of course, you are also able to take the train to places like Ardmore, Bryn MAwr, or Wayne pretty late on weekends.
09-09-2009, 11:04 PM
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I appreciate all the thoughts that have been shared, but I'm wondering if we can now focus on the western philadelphia suburbs/towns from a demographic standpoint. Is west chester that good a place to be if you're too old to be dating college coeds? (I'm 34) From searching on this site, west chester sounds like a college town with nice architecture and a few well-attended fairs, but I'm not from the area so correct me if I'm wrong.
Can anyone recommend an area(s) west of downtown philly where you can find a reasonable number of 25-35 year old singles?
Thanks
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People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)