10-30-2009, 06:50 AM
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Hi all...this is my first post, what an amazing resource! I will paste below our specs, but to summarize my husband and I are looking to move our children ages 3 and 1, from our Center City condo to a Philly suburb that has the following characteristics:
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GREAT School system
-Walkable/Bikeable town, good community like feeling
-Parents commute to Philly NE and Center City...but both need to get to PHL airport frequently
-Safe, friendly
-20 year horizon, we want to invest in a community that will continue to trend positive, appreciate...we don't want to be in the last days of an empire
-Budget is 550-650k...do not want McMansion...understand taxes vary, looking for value for the $ spent
Most advice has been
Main Line, Abington, Doylestown, Newtown, Haddonfield, Moorestown and Chestnut Hill ...I suspect commutes will hurt Bucks Cty and schools will hurt Chestnut Hill. Open to suggestions...thanks to all!
We pasted below the forum's Q& A to give more detail...thanks!
When are you moving? Early spring 2010(but flexible)
Where are you coming from? Center City
Why are you moving? Want great community/school for kids...play outside
Where will you be working? Northeast Philly(near NE Airport), husband has office in Center City, but spends most time commuting to airport for air travel
Have you been here yet? 5 years in area, seen alot
Will you buy or rent? buy, defintely
If buying, are you looking for a house or a condo? How much can you spend? 550-650k
Do you prefer hi-rise or walk up? single fam house
Are you married or single? Do you have children? married with 2 kids, 3 and 1
Do you prefer public or private schools? public, otherwise stay in cc
Do you have pets? no
Do you want or need a yard? yes, but do not need a big yard
Are you keeping a car? yes, 2
Do you prefer bustling activity or calm and quiet? a little of both..do not like strip malls and traffic, but we are city people and like walking, outside exercise etc
What do you want to be closest to?
Work-commutes Philly Northeast(30 mins) and ability to get to PHL and Center City (30 mins)
Shopping
Basic services (supermarket, drugstore, etc.)-important, nice if we could walk to some
Nightlife-love to be able to go out for dinner without a 10 minute drive
Train or subway stations
Do you want to live with people of a similar age, race, religion or sexual preference or do you prefer a diverse neighborhood? -not a huge issue, we are though jewish and would at least like to have a few people from our background around...I have been the only jewish kid in school before
Coke or Pepsi? H20...
10-30-2009, 12:48 PM
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All of those towns/areas are great, some higher Main Line price points notwithstanding. I'll give a plug for my hometown area of Abington.
The school system has maintained an excellent reputation over the years.
You'll definitely be able to find a community where you can walk/bike for exercise. Chances are you would still want to hop in the car to pick up groceries. Lots of restaurants: some chain, some local that have been around for a while.
There are a half-dozen train stations in the Abington area. The R1 Airport train often shares the R2 route through Center City. Your'd be a short drive from NE Philly.
This is an older bedroom community that has become more diverse over time. There was a significant Jewish population when I graduated high school in the 80's and that hasn't changed. Most Jewish households tend to live east of Old York Road (Rt. 611.)
I'm a bit out of the loop on price points but you can definitely find something in the generally middle-class area west of 611 in your range. East of Old York Road tends to be more upscale.
Abington doesn't have a defined downtown - unless you count Willow Grove Park Mall - but we tend to "borrow" from Jenkintown's quaint center just due south.
Speaking of Jenkintown: that area, along with Cheltenham, Lower Moreland, and Upper Dublin would also be worth looking into. They surround Abington and would generally satisfy your needs, save less choices for Regional Rail.
10-30-2009, 01:33 PM
Location: South Philly
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I would go with Haddonfield, Haddon Heights, Haddon Twp (Westmont).
Only because you get the ease of the Center City commute (PATCO is a breeze compared to regional rail) and the airport commute.
I would also throw Collingswood in there but you might find the school district lacking - although it's certainly on the up and up. If you're lucky you can find one of those houses west of Cuthbert Blvd (the collingswood side) but still technically be in Haddon Twp. You get the best of both worlds that way . . . especially since the Collingswood PATCO station is only a few blocks from the Haddon Twp. border.
10-31-2009, 10:34 AM
Location: Philadelphia
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Philly suburbs
My wife and I have been in a similar search the past 6 months and although the forum can be helpful, the answer is pretty subjective.
That being said, we have looked at the all the towns/areas you listed. Based on your requirements, it would be tough to beat Haddonfield. Great community, great schools, walking/biking and long term upside. Besides the NJ taxes, we liked everything about Haddonfield.
We did though love the land, houses & schools of the Main Line, but had trouble with the commutes/roads and the lack of sidewalks/true community feel in each town.
Doylestown is great, but way too far out of the city and to a lesser degree, Newtown was as well.
Abington had nice housing stock, but we were not thrilled the greater community and got a mixed bag on the schools. Moorestown for a # of reasons did not make our cut.
Chestnut Hill bc of the lack of good public schools never made the list (but love the area). Hope this helps, as I said alot of this is subjective but it helped me to get other's opinions. Good luck and keep us posted!
10-31-2009, 04:47 PM
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I'm going to throw Upper Moreland out there for you. I live there, but I live in the Huntingdon Valley part, which is really what I recommend. Schools are wonderful...I'm so happy with my son's teachers. I have a terrific house with a large yard on a great street. We are right near one of the best parks in the area (Mason's Mill, google it.) Plus, it's right off of Byberry Rd, which goes to Woodhaven Rd straight to I-95 for your downtown access. I think you'd be very happy here!
Good luck on your search!
11-01-2009, 04:15 PM
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I grew up In Bala-Cynwyd. 20 minute bus ride to CC maybe 35 minute drive to NE. When I went to Lower Merion HS it was 40% jewish and you can get nice houses in your price range. Alot of very nice stores that are walkable
11-01-2009, 07:08 PM
Location: Texas
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I loved Abington.
It's a great place to raise a family.
11-04-2009, 03:23 PM
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IMO, I'd narrow it down to either Chestnut Hill, or the Rydal/Meadowbrook areas in Abington. The Main Line is WAY too stuffy for my tastes and you don't get much for the price you pay. Doylestown and Newtown are just too far removed from everything. As far as those NJ towns, I know very little about them.
11-04-2009, 03:53 PM
Location: South Philly
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Chestnut Hill bc of the lack of good public schools never made the list (but love the area).
Chestnut Hill actually has good K-8. It's what high school your kid gets into that you have to worry about.
11-04-2009, 05:14 PM
Location: Yardley PA
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I don't think Newtown is out of the range of your commute - A lot of the homes are right off I-95 and once you get on you really don't hit traffic until you get to the city. If you're going to the NE, that's quick and easy, about 15-20 minutes.. Center City - more like 35. Airport - 45. But remember, with Bucks you avoid a lot of the traffic that you get by being out closer to the main line, those roads are ALWAYS bad!
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People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)