Will Philadelphia ever get back over 2,000,000 in population? (Pittston, Dallas: living in, suburbs)

[DANNYY]

Originally Posted by FlyerNation

Because everything is bigger in Texas, yeah ?

How far out do ya have to expand your boundaries ? The stats on metro areas have been dicussed in this thread.

Of course you could care less about any of that though...

Whenever I think of America's biggest cities, Dallas-Ft. Worth doesn't make the top five. It's second rate. You're second fiddle to Houston. Before Dallas- Ft. Worth considers rubbing elbows with Philly, you need to surpass Houston first. You people want to talk **** down there in the Lonestar State, but you don't even have the big city amenities.


Now what subway line do I take to get to AA Arena ?

Look, if you're here to start a controversy, then please leave me out of it, but if you're here to actually have a respectable debate then I'm in.

No, not everything is bigger in Texas, that's just our motto, because we're a large state and have large cities, I don't see why you're hating on this?

Yes Texas being a large state gives it's cities a vast amount of land to expand upon. Unlike most other states that are limited. It's just the way our state is, it's something we all have to deal with.

You're right, I really could careless about that. So now that we've established that, lets move on.

I'm from Houston not Dallas/Fort Worth. The way I see it, they go hand in hand with each other, in a friendly way. They don't try to out do each other, in Texas, we have friendly competition, Houston and Dallas both have thing's they're better than each other on. So no, Dallas isn't playing second fiddle to anyone.

Next, DFW is larger than Houston, lets get that established here.

Big city amenities, buddy what are you on? People can live in Houston without ever having to leave it for anything, because the city has everything you need, right there. It's easily accessible, the same with Dallas.

As for talking mess, when did I talk mess? It's you that's been doing all the talking here, I simply asked a question and you took it further by throwing insults.

[Cowboys fan in Houston]

Originally Posted by OmShahi

I'm from Houston not Dallas/Fort Worth. The way I see it, they go hand in hand with each other, in a friendly way. They don't try to out do each other, in Texas, we have friendly competition, Houston and Dallas both have thing's they're better than each other on. So no, Dallas isn't playing second fiddle to anyone.

Next, DFW is larger than Houston, lets get that established here.

Big city amenities, buddy what are you on? People can live in Houston without ever having to leave it for anything, because the city has everything you need, right there. It's easily accessible, the same with Dallas.

As for talking mess, when did I talk mess? It's you that's been doing all the talking here, I simply asked a question and you took it further by throwing insults.

Beautifully said!

[a75206]

FlyerNation dude must be wanting a flame war or something. I root for Philly and know about both Philly and Dallas and Houston areas, and I would not make stupid comments about some issues, such as the relative port sizes... especially when knowing that Philly is essentially a river port (largest/busiest fresh water port in America) but it is not quite in the same league as Port of Houston...the Ship Channel dredging was done decades ago and has turned that port into perhaps the second biggest/busiest port in America for all sorts of cargo categories.

It's not like Philadelphia doesn't have its core strengths. And in any case, it's is an underrated city for all that it does have.

[Cowboys fan in Houston]

Originally Posted by a75206

FlyerNation dude must be wanting a flame war or something. I root for Philly and know about both Philly and Dallas and Houston areas, and I would not make stupid comments about some issues, such as the relative port sizes... especially when knowing that Philly is essentially a river port (largest/busiest fresh water port in America) but it is not quite in the same league as Port of Houston...the Ship Channel dredging was done decades ago and has turned that port into perhaps the second biggest/busiest port in America for all sorts of cargo categories.

It's not like Philadelphia doesn't have its core strengths. And in any case, it's is an underrated city for all that it does have.

I think he was trying to put down DFW and Dallas, not Houston.

[lammius]

Philadelphia could reach 2,000,000 again, but I think it would take (A) a lot of time, and (B) a re-building of the entire city. The city is largely a rowhouse city. In the early 20th century, a 3-story rowhouse could contain 6 units with a family of 5 in each (30 people total). Today, as those rowhouses are refurbished, they attract urban professionals, singles, empty nesters, young couples. Each unit may only have 1-2 occupants (9 people total). So a block containing 30 rowhouses may have been home to 900 people in 1930, but may be home to only 270 today. Extrapolate that over an entire neighborhood, and you get the idea. So even if Philadelphia continues to gentrificate (is that a verb?), population loss could continue, as lower-income families move out of certain urban nabes, and higher-income singles and couples move in. I think a lot of NEW housing stock would have to come on line to make up the difference.

[kidphilly]

Originally Posted by a75206

FlyerNation dude must be wanting a flame war or something. I root for Philly and know about both Philly and Dallas and Houston areas, and I would not make stupid comments about some issues, such as the relative port sizes... especially when knowing that Philly is essentially a river port (largest/busiest fresh water port in America) but it is not quite in the same league as Port of Houston...the Ship Channel dredging was done decades ago and has turned that port into perhaps the second biggest/busiest port in America for all sorts of cargo categories.

It's not like Philadelphia doesn't have its core strengths. And in any case, it's is an underrated city for all that it does have.

agree - reps to you

[a75206]

Well, there are many abandoned homes or even empty lots that could be ripe for redevelopment keeping in mind current tastes and parameters. In fact, most of the new construction going on around town, from what I've read, is of the infill and rehab variety. Some really dilapidated rowhome neighborhoods may have to go, but not the whole city... Philly is turning rehabs and reuses into an art form....

[killakoolaide]

Whats funny is the guy Dallas is named after is from Philly.

[ladarron]

^^^ The county is but the city isn't named after him.

[ladarron]

Originally Posted by FlyerNation

Philly is bigger than Dallas. Always has been, always will be. Location is far superior in the Northeast. If you believe in this country and its long-term outlook, there will be (has to be) a rebirth in the Northeast. We are the center of the nucleus that has driven this country for over 200 years.


The south has already begun to see their decline. Dallas can't even stand on her own stilts to begin with. Why? Because a major city like Philadelphia, even with its decline in population over the past several decades, is still larger in scope compared to Dallas. You need to incorporate Ft. Worth and surrounding areas, along with overlays in distant locales just to complete with the second largest city on the East Coast..

This aspect has been discussed in the thread. Philly stands on its own metro area. It doesn't need a supporter city to boast itself. Having been to both cities, Philly is bigger and has density like few other cities (NYC, Chicago, LA) in this country. Dallas doesn't have that kind of density. It tries to, but simply doesn't. Not even with Ft. Worth nearby.

Having visited Dallas, it's kinda big, but not as big as Philly. Philly is more
comparable to NYC, Chicago, and LA than it is to Houston, Dallas, or Detroit.

Dallas isn't kinda big it is big! You must have not been all over Dallas.