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Old 05-12-2020, 05:09 PM
 
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Nobles are by strict definition a social class just below ruling kings and monarchs. How can you attribute nobility to an animal ? However if you’re talking about faithfulness, loyalty and blind devotion then you’re on to something.
Nope. Your statement fails for the same very reason why the OP's statement fails.

One cannot ascribe human characteristics like faithfulness, loyalty, and devotion to animals. Humans keep animals captive and become their source for food and housing. What we see isn't loyalty. It's exploiting the situation.

Test: Open up your fences and stop providing food. Allow the animal the choice to live in your house or somewhere else. Allow them to find their own food and then choose to live in your house.

Also, remember to look to see how canines and felines live and interact in the wild as opposed to the false state of captivity.
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Old 05-13-2020, 07:37 AM
 
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Nope. Your statement fails for the same very reason why the OP's statement fails.

One cannot ascribe human characteristics like faithfulness, loyalty, and devotion to animals. Humans keep animals captive and become their source for food and housing. What we see isn't loyalty. It's exploiting the situation.

Test: Open up your fences and stop providing food. Allow the animal the choice to live in your house or somewhere else. Allow them to find their own food and then choose to live in your house.

Also, remember to look to see how canines and felines live and interact in the wild as opposed to the false state of captivity.
I would argue certain animals keep humans captive and become their source of food and housing! Especially the emotionally dependent humans who need support animals. Notice how clever dogs and cats have become at using the internet to post 'doe eyed' 'come hither' pictures of themselves to get humans addicted?
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Old 05-13-2020, 07:46 AM
 
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Sounds like some people are getting their concepts of animal activities from Disney movies.


Sounds like they haven't heard of killer whales playing "catch" with a seal before eating it.


Or a male lion killing the cubs of a rival after gaining control of the pride.


Or a polar bear eating the cubs of a polar bear mother.


Or the Vespa mandarinia hornet invading and killing honey bees for no discernible reason whatsoever.


There is no reasonable definition of "noble" that amounts to merely "doing what comes naturally." "Noble" always connotes rising above natural behavior.
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Old 05-13-2020, 08:56 AM
 
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Sounds like some people are getting their concepts of animal activities from Disney movies.


Sounds like they haven't heard of killer whales playing "catch" with a seal before eating it.


Or a male lion killing the cubs of a rival after gaining control of the pride.


Or a polar bear eating the cubs of a polar bear mother.


Or the Vespa mandarinia hornet invading and killing honey bees for no discernible reason whatsoever.


There is no reasonable definition of "noble" that amounts to merely "doing what comes naturally." "Noble" always connotes rising above natural behavior.
Sense of humor? Relax, Im not on here to post curt comments to get little tiny points for another special gold star
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Old 05-18-2020, 12:21 AM
 
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Do they have more respectable characteristics and instincts? Are they more wise to avoid humans?
I believe humans are more noble because we were made in the image of God.Animals just do what nature tells them to do.Humans are the best animal.
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Old 05-18-2020, 04:43 AM
 
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I would argue certain animals keep humans captive and become their source of food and housing! Especially the emotionally dependent humans who need support animals. Notice how clever dogs and cats have become at using the internet to post 'doe eyed' 'come hither' pictures of themselves to get humans addicted?
So you were just trolling, then?
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Old 05-18-2020, 11:26 AM
 
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Humans are the WORST animal on this planet so YES any other animal is far more noble!!
I have to agree with this. We didn't rise to the top of the food chain by being kind, gentle, loving creatures. We are pretty heinous.

Yes, animals are more noble by all definitions.
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Old 05-18-2020, 04:07 PM
 
Location: West Coast U.S.A.
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Originally Posted by Ralph_Kirk View Post
Sounds like some people are getting their concepts of animal activities from Disney movies.


Sounds like they haven't heard of killer whales playing "catch" with a seal before eating it.


Or a male lion killing the cubs of a rival after gaining control of the pride.


Or a polar bear eating the cubs of a polar bear mother.


Or the Vespa mandarinia hornet invading and killing honey bees for no discernible reason whatsoever.


There is no reasonable definition of "noble" that amounts to merely "doing what comes naturally." "Noble" always connotes rising above natural behavior.
Can't rep you, but I agree. Humans ARE animals, and as animals they are capable of doing both selfish and selfless things.
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Old 05-18-2020, 04:43 PM
 
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I have to agree with this. We didn't rise to the top of the food chain by being kind, gentle, loving creatures. We are pretty heinous.

Yes, animals are more noble by all definitions.
Hmm...as soon as some non-human animal senses its survival is threatened they can become pretty heinous in a big big hurry! All in, from zero to 60 in seconds. Nothing "kind, gentle, or loving" about it.
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Old 05-18-2020, 07:30 PM
 
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“Indeed, people speak sometimes about the ‘animal’ cruelty of man, but that is terribly unjust and offensive to animals, no animal could ever be so cruel as a man, so artfully, so artistically cruel”

― Fyodor Dostoyevsky
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