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Nothing means nothing.
Ergo, there is nothing to discuss.
Unless someone wants to build his degrees tally by publishing casuistic arguments about nothing and having them peer reviewed by other talkers of same nature.
Total value of such articles = nothing.
...abstract math, allowing eternal fantasizing with abstract concepts, bending them and forming them into whatever operator wanted to. You give same task to two different views mathematicians, and they will give you two different results, using same abstract math tools....
This is very wrong. You're entitled to your opinion, but I'm not sure why you'd opine on a subject that you're not very well versed in.
The motivation for this question is actually theological. Namely, are pantheism and atheism compatible.
Oh. Well, you probably should have stayed in that arena rather than drifting into the world of mathematics. The definitions of pantheism that I've found is:
1: a doctrine that equates God with the forces and laws of the universe
2: the worship of all gods of different creeds, cults, or peoples indifferently also : toleration of worship of all gods (as at certain periods of the Roman empire)
I notice in Def. 2 that "all gods" are referred to, but it doesn't say "or no god." So technically, atheism is not part of pantheism, which is basically "all the theisms." IOW, atheism is not a "theism." It is strictly the absence of theism.
Oh. Well, you probably should have stayed in that arena rather than drifting into the world of mathematics. The definitions of pantheism that I've found is:
1: a doctrine that equates God with the forces and laws of the universe
2: the worship of all gods of different creeds, cults, or peoples indifferently also : toleration of worship of all gods (as at certain periods of the Roman empire)
I notice in Def. 2 that "all gods" are referred to, but it doesn't say "or no god." So technically, atheism is not part of pantheism, which is basically "all the theisms." IOW, atheism is not a "theism." It is strictly the absence of theism.
For me pantheism is that everything in the universe is god, not just forces, laws, or deities.
Atheism is not strictly the absence of theism. Theism is the belief in a god who is involved in day to day life. There are also deism and panentheism as theological categories which are distinct both theism and pantheism.
If one philosopher is sitting on a chair, then gets up and walks across the room, how many philosophers are sitting on the chair?
Infinity is harder to understand. But consider energy, which can be neither created nor destroyed. Is energy not infinite?
Your first example is counting, not the total absence of something. Your second example conflates the concept of existence with infinity. The universe is not infinite, hence no other parts of it (our reality) are infinite.
Zero and infinity have no expression in the natural world we inhabit, but the human mind manipulates the concepts easily. Karl Popper saw this mathematical knowledge adjunct to physical reality as a paradox.
Your first example is counting, not the total absence of something. Your second example conflates the concept of existence with infinity. The universe is not infinite, hence no other parts of it (our reality) are infinite.
Zero and infinity have no expression in the natural world we inhabit, but the human mind manipulates the concepts easily. Karl Popper saw this mathematical knowledge adjunct to physical reality as a paradox.
If the universe, or multiverse if you prefer, is not infinite in at least one dimension, where did energy come from? Where is it going?
Quantum fluctuations occur all the time. The amount of energy present in the fluctuation is inversely proportional to the duration of time the fluctuation exists. Energy and time are conjugate pairs subject to the Uncertainty Principle. A large energy fluctuation may pop into existence, but only for a very brief amount of time before it disappears. Something very weird apparently happened at the very beginning when cosmic inflation occurred. And 14.8 billion years later, here we are.
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