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Old 12-07-2021, 05:21 AM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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If you've ever read a depressing Chris Hedges book, this will get you thinking!

He thinks, historically, over centuries and centuries of man on this planet, the civilized times will be something like 2% of life on this planet. That the civilized period on this planet will be nothing but a blip on the screen.

Famous saying: Takes a hundred years to build up a civilization, and just one day to destroy it all. When you view Beirut, Lebanon today, you'll see the truth to that statement.
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Old 12-07-2021, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Middle America
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Not sure how he's defining "civilization", but most would say that's been a much larger percentage of recorded history than just 2%. Whatever the author came up with might only make sense within the context he's considering, so of limited value.

Regardless, having civilization or being "civilized" doesn't in itself mean true progress and advancement. You could have civilization in terms of machinery working together and not falling apart, but that's robotic and not using human potential.

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Old 12-07-2021, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Honolulu
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Everything's relative, including being "civilized". The first step would be defining "civilized times". You'd probably have trouble doing so.
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Old 12-09-2021, 06:29 PM
 
Location: U.S.A.
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Pretty sure we're on the decline already...
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Old 12-09-2021, 09:59 PM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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Pretty sure we're on the decline already...
I strongly believe the lowering of the fertility rate around the world (India is even down to a 2.0 fertility rate which I read recently in The Economist magazine) is going to be a big factor in this. Labor shortages, for one. Not enough workers to repair what's critical in this world like infrastructure and even mechanics for our increasingly complex high tech gadgetry cars.

A neighbor had a problem with her early 2000's Lexus and she couldn't find anyone to repair it, not even the Lexus dealer. My brother, an auto mechanic for 35 years, with his own shop, is ready to call it quits, he just can't keep up with all the changes.
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Old 12-10-2021, 05:36 AM
 
Location: U.S.A.
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I strongly believe the lowering of the fertility rate around the world (India is even down to a 2.0 fertility rate which I read recently in The Economist magazine) is going to be a big factor in this. Labor shortages, for one. Not enough workers to repair what's critical in this world like infrastructure and even mechanics for our increasingly complex high tech gadgetry cars.

A neighbor had a problem with her early 2000's Lexus and she couldn't find anyone to repair it, not even the Lexus dealer. My brother, an auto mechanic for 35 years, with his own shop, is ready to call it quits, he just can't keep up with all the changes.
Absolutely. The system, as we know it, is no longer sustainable. With the advancements of technology have come huge sacrifices to Life on Earth, again- as we know it. There's a karmic debt here that's long overdue. I view this as spiritual warfare, because no man can save us. It is up to us as individuals to protect our bodies, minds, hearts, and spirits.
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Old 12-10-2021, 06:50 AM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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With the low fertility rate, huge aging populations, all it's going to take is a Black Plague like they experienced in the past, which wiped out 1/3rd of the population in Europe and we're done for!
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Old 12-10-2021, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Honolulu
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With the low fertility rate, huge aging populations, all it's going to take is a Black Plague like they experienced in the past, which wiped out 1/3rd of the population in Europe and we're done for!
Oh god, what a drama queen. You do know that the world consists of more than just the U.S. and other developed countries right?
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Old 12-11-2021, 10:51 PM
 
Location: Canada
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For which civilization?

If you're thinking about all civilizations for the whole world then the answer is no, it's got a long way to go yet before reaching its peak.

If you're thinking about the civilizations of specific nations then sure some are reaching or have already reached their peak and are now in decline. But there's nothing new about that. It's just more of the same old, same old that's been going on for thousands of years already. Nations and their civilizations have been rising and falling throughout the history of mankind and every time one of them goes down another rises up to take the place of the fallen. History repeats itself a lot.

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Old 12-12-2021, 03:16 AM
 
Location: San Francisco
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Plus ca bloody change.
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