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Old 11-14-2011, 12:40 PM
 
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Pack 100+ snowbirds into a restaurant and watch every waiter in that place get sick the next day.
OK, now your hyperbole is showing. If wait staff are getting ill 24 hours after contact with snowbirds, then Minnesota and Alberta must be incubating the most virulent strain of flu/URI known to modern mankind.

Let's get back on topic with facts, please.
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Old 11-14-2011, 12:52 PM
 
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OK, now your hyperbole is showing. If wait staff are getting ill 24 hours after contact with snowbirds, then Minnesota and Alberta must be incubating the most virulent strain of flu/URI known to modern mankind.

Let's get back on topic with facts, please.
You're obviously ignoring the issue, how can you not see the correlation between the huge influx of sick people and the spread of disease?

I see absolutely no benefits to Snowbirds other than a minor economic stimulus.

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Old 11-14-2011, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Prescott Valley, AZ
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Who needs them? Not like half of them pay taxes in our state either way.



What do you expect when you get thousands of old sick people visiting for the winter? Diseases spread. Pack 100+ snowbirds into a restaurant and watch every waiter in that place get sick the next day.
As you have addressed the food industry and poor tipping a couple of times I have to assume you are involved with it or are close to someone that is.
Just remember that tipping in many areas of the country is not the same as it is for this area.
I worked food services including dish washing and cleaning/waiting tables when I was young in in college. I know well that many depend on those tips to survive as the wages are not much.
I am certain however that without the snowbirds that many persons working in the food industry in the valley would not have a job at all, just think about it.
In other matters you have addressed it sounds like you have a paranoia that cannot be cured here.

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Old 11-14-2011, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Gilbert - Val Vista Lakes
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We should all remember this is America, and just as those of us who choose to live in Phoenix full time have the right to live here full time; so do the Snowbirds have the right to live here during the times they choose.

The snowbirds come in all ages; not just the "old" folks. And remember that if all of today's younger generation is lucky, they may be able to one day be one of the "old" folks. And hopefully the generation younger than them will have more respect for the elderly than many of the current generation do for their elders.

Perhaps the snowbirds good driving habits
is one of the things that has allowed them to grow to an "old" age.

When we pass a known snowbird
who is driving 60, rather than 80 and cutting in and out of traffic risking our lives, or driving 50 while high on meth, perhaps we should thank them instead of criticizing them.

The snowbirds provide a lot of value to the Phoenix economy. Those who derive benefit from their business are well aware of their value.

The snowbirds do pay taxes on everything they purchase, just like full time residents. They pay property taxes on homes they own here, automobile registration fees on the cars they own and leave here year round, food and clothing taxes; rental tax on rental investment taxes they own. And of course those tax dollars are a big help for our local governments.

They also help to provide jobs for house keepers, pool cleaners, landscapers, contractors, property managers, plumbers, electricians, and others. Don't underestimate the economical value the snowbirds provide to our Phoenix economy.
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Old 11-14-2011, 02:04 PM
 
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A huge influx of sick people? Please. Stop the generalizing AND the hyperbole with no facts. Most of the snowbirds I know are pretty healthy for their age and not contagious, and have the sense to stay home and eat if they are ill, just like younger people should. If what you say is true, it would certainly make the news, and the public health statistics. Old doesn't mean sick.

And, they pay sales taxes, and if they own property here, property taxes.

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Old 11-14-2011, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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The only benefit is the minor economic stimulus, and the cons outweigh the pros:

- More Traffic & Accidents (Notorious Rubberneckers)
- Longer Lines at Restaurants & Pharmacies
- Increased Viral Diseases
- Less Income + More Work for Restaurant Employees
- Increased Rental Rates

Not sure why anyone welcome such a burden to our city.
You're kidding, right?

MINOR economic stimulus? Study: 'Snowbirds' generate $600M for state economy - Phoenix Business Journal

This article was published in 2003 and we all know that with baby boomers starting to become part of this generation, the number is quite a bit higher. The best recent estimate I've heard is that about 350,000-400,000 snowbirds will inject our state with nearly $1 BILLION dollars!! When you have a state with the population roughly the size of the Dallas metropolitan area, that $1 billion dollars is a LOT of revenue.

The snowbirds don't bring crime, the don't take jobs, and it's rare that snowbirds travel during the peak travel times on the interstates. They DO use services and buy goods! They ALL pay sales tax and many of them purchase homes, cars, clothing, and other goods. They also frequent restaurants more often than full-time residents and contribute to the bottom line of many local as well as chain restaurants.

So how exactly do they NOT contribute to the economy of this state? They inject a billion dollars, that is NOT minor.
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Old 11-14-2011, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Willo Historic District, Phoenix, AZ
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As to generalizations about people being having communicable diseases, I would rather take my chances around 100 seniors than 100 children.
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Old 11-14-2011, 02:46 PM
 
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As to generalizations about people being having communicable diseases, I would rather take my chances around 100 seniors than 100 children.
Me, too.
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Old 11-14-2011, 02:51 PM
 
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You're obviously ignoring the issue, how can you not see the correlation between the huge influx of sick people and the spread of disease?

I see absolutely no benefits to Snowbirds other than a minor economic stimulus.
You call a billion dollars "minor"?
And that was in 2003!!!

"Although there is no recent data on the economic impact of winter visitors, a Valley-wide study of about 300,000 winter visitors done by Arizona State University six years ago found that they spent about $1 billion on food, entertainment, lodging, and other goods and services. Winter visitors also pay sales, gas, liquor, and other taxes."

http://www.examiner.com/rv-travel-in...#ixzz1didb02Qf
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Old 11-14-2011, 03:18 PM
 
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Who needs them? Not like half of them pay taxes in our state either way.



What do you expect when you get thousands of old sick people visiting for the winter? Diseases spread. Pack 100+ snowbirds into a restaurant and watch every waiter in that place get sick the next day.

????

How uninformed can some one be?

I pay taxes...I spend a lot of money too. Matter of fact I do all of my clothes shopping in AZ.. I furnished a whole house this summer , a house that I pay taxes on all year and only use for two months.

BTW most elderly people get flu shots . They are free to almost every Canadian. The Flu season would hit Phoenix no matter what. It's the younger people that tend to spread the germs faster than the older ones. Flu season starts after the kids go back to school..coincidence?
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