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Old 04-07-2015, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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Re: winters. Flagstaff is childs-play (higher elevation, more sun, not bitter cold, and shorter season). Now give northern MN a try though the dead of winter. It starts up late November and hangs on well into March. There is 60% cloud cover, occasional bitter winds, 120" of snow to shovel and drive though, times when the high is minus 5 degrees etc. Apples-oranges.
He said Flagstaff was 12 degrees, which is below MN's average winter temps. Cold is cold, no matter how you look at it. High desert areas (ie Four Corners) get just as bitterly cold as anything Ive experienced in MN, made even worse by the high winds that always seem prevalent up there.
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Old 04-07-2015, 05:40 PM
 
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He said Flagstaff was 12 degrees, which is below MN's average winter temps. Cold is cold, no matter how you look at it. High desert areas (ie Four Corners) get just as bitterly cold as anything Ive experienced in MN, made even worse by the high winds that always seem prevalent up there.
Hot is not hot and cold is not cold (sun versus shade versus humidity versus a breeze all matter). As you pointed out, wind makes it worse (a.k.a. wind chill). The sun on your skin makes a bitter cold much more palletable too. That's why I mentioned the 60% cloud cover.

Go back and compare Brained MN versus Flagstaff and report back the amount of sunny days as well as the average highs and lows. There is no comparison.
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Old 04-07-2015, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Fiesta District Mesa, AZ
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Hot is not hot and cold is not cold (sun versus shade versus humidity versus a breeze all matter). As you pointed out, wind makes it worse (a.k.a. wind chill). The sun on your skin makes a bitter cold much more palletable too. That's why I mentioned the 60% cloud cover.

Go back and compare Brained MN versus Flagstaff and report back the amount of sunny days as well as the average highs and lows. There is no comparison.
I'll give you all your points MN-Born and raised but, I highly doubt I'd take an 80 degree AZ winter over a real winter. I absolutely love the cold. Its like a few months of summer and the rest of the year is unbearable hell here to me. The COL and proximity to my hometown in SoCal makes it work for me. As soon as I find a high paying job in my field in Flag (Likely never), I'm gone from the valley . Than again I'm weird and run very hot. San Diego was too hot too LOL. I bet I'd love Minnesota.
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Old 04-08-2015, 09:22 AM
 
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I'll give you all your points MN-Born and raised but, I highly doubt I'd take an 80 degree AZ winter over a real winter. I absolutely love the cold. Its like a few months of summer and the rest of the year is unbearable hell here to me. The COL and proximity to my hometown in SoCal makes it work for me. As soon as I find a high paying job in my field in Flag (Likely never), I'm gone from the valley . Than again I'm weird and run very hot. San Diego was too hot too LOL. I bet I'd love Minnesota.
There are those who LOVE the hot and others that LOVE the cold. It seems you are a fantastic fit in MN so long as you don't mind cloudy days, rain, and bugs, bugs, and more bugs. After all, bugs LOVE the rain.

But you are not alone. I know many people from northern states that would never contemplate moving to out of state because they enjoy the winter. Heck, some people love the clouds too.
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Old 04-08-2015, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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Hot is not hot and cold is not cold (sun versus shade versus humidity versus a breeze all matter). As you pointed out, wind makes it worse (a.k.a. wind chill). The sun on your skin makes a bitter cold much more palletable too. That's why I mentioned the 60% cloud cover.

Go back and compare Brained MN versus Flagstaff and report back the amount of sunny days as well as the average highs and lows. There is no comparison.
MN is sunnier than you'd think. Not as sunny as Flagstaff, of course, but not too far off either. In fact, the clear skies is part of the reason MN is so doggone cold in winter.
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Old 04-08-2015, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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I went past the RV park this morning and it is clearing out pretty well. Oh happy day!
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Old 04-08-2015, 01:46 PM
 
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MN is sunnier than you'd think. Not as sunny as Flagstaff, of course, but not too far off either. In fact, the clear skies is part of the reason MN is so doggone cold in winter.
Minneapolis averages 95 sunny days a year, 101 partly sunny days, and 96 total sunny days a year.

Flagstaff's numbers for the same? 162, 102, 264.

That's quite a difference if you ask me

Annual Days of Sunshine in Minnesota - Current Results

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Old 04-08-2015, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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Minneapolis averages 95 sunny days a year, 101 partly sunny days, and 96 total sunny days a year.

Flagstaff's numbers for the same? 162, 102, 264.

That's quite a difference if you ask me

Annual Days of Sunshine in Minnesota - Current Results

Annual Days of Sunshine in Arizona - Current Results

Right. I said MPLS sunshine percentage wasnt as high as Flag's, just not as far behind as you might think. With the exception of Nov/Dec, MPLS only averages 10-15% less sunshine year round. MPLS is one of the sunniest large cities in the nation, believe it or not. It gets just as much sun as "sunny" cities like Jacksonville, Grand Junction, Pensacola, Savannah, Atlanta, Boise, Shreveport, Charlotte, Austin, etc.
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Old 04-08-2015, 05:17 PM
 
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Right. I said MPLS sunshine percentage wasnt as high as Flag's, just not as far behind as you might think. With the exception of Nov/Dec, MPLS only averages 10-15% less sunshine year round. MPLS is one of the sunniest large cities in the nation, believe it or not. It gets just as much sun as "sunny" cities like Jacksonville, Grand Junction, Pensacola, Savannah, Atlanta, Boise, Shreveport, Charlotte, Austin, etc.
I'm from Des Moines, which numbers for sunny/partly days are almost the same as Minneapolis (MPLS 105/97/202, DM 95/101/196). It is sunnier there than a lot of cities in the north, especially during the winter, but still a far cry from cities in AZ. It is what it is.

I chose Phoenix because of the sunny weather! It is a big difference from the Midwest.
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Old 04-08-2015, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Fiesta District Mesa, AZ
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I'm from Des Moines, which numbers for sunny/partly days are almost the same as Minneapolis (MPLS 105/97/202, DM 95/101/196). It is sunnier there than a lot of cities in the north, especially during the winter, but still a far cry from cities in AZ. It is what it is.

I chose Phoenix because of the sunny weather! It is a big difference from the Midwest.
And by your posts it is absolutely an awesome place for you. I die just reading you type about your house being a comfy 80 degrees inside lol. I love my career here and the cost of living grants me awesome opportunities here. I am so envious that this is like the worst possible climate for me and ideal for others. Idk why I am miserably warm at 70 degrees but it pisses me off that I am .
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