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Old 01-13-2012, 02:16 PM
 
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If that's true, it makes NO practical sense in real life. Pinal County extends down well into southeast AZ, not all that far from Tucson. Oracle, or Mammoth, or even Kearny, are in metro Phoenix for "statistical" purposes? None that make much sense. So, I care even less what the census says metro Phoenix is.
I agree it's a poor definition. The Census should exclude Pinal county for accuracy's sake even if it excludes some areas in Queen Creek. To include all of Pinal County is beyond ridiculous. This is why we have to make some practical inference when we read these reports.
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Old 01-13-2012, 02:24 PM
 
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AZRIVER,

I dont have any heartache with anything you wrote except for a small point - I was saying that CASA GRANDE was 40 miles away whereas Buckeye was 35 miles in my original response.

Also, whereas from Exit 194 may be 49 miles to downtown, MUCH of CG (including myself) is much further north than exit 194 and even closer to exit 185.......which is a big difference.

And then finally, I said I get from my place in northern CG (again closer to exits 190 and 185) to AHWATUKEE/CHANDLER in 35 mins. Not downtown.

Otherwise much of your post I agree with....
Well stated, sorry for my confusion. Cheers! I genuinely love Casa Grande and it's residents.
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Old 01-13-2012, 03:25 PM
 
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Pinal goes west too. I just don't feel all that "metro" when passing through Ajo, but there you go. If poster above is correct and the census does not split counties, that would explain things. In the east they have tiny little counties while in Arizona, many of our counties are larger than many eastern states in area.

The boundaries have consequences too. Phoenix metro gets a black eye with EPA and the press for air quality problems at a gauge in the feedlots of distant parts of Pinal county because Pinal, including the feedlots, is metro Phoenix.
Pinal doesn't go west very far, as it runs into the reservation and Maricopa County. Ajo is not in Pinal County, if you are suggesting otherwise. It's in Pima. Which probably means the census thinks it's in metro Tucson.
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Old 01-13-2012, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Ajo is not in Pinal County, if you are suggesting otherwise. It's in Pima. Which probably means the census thinks it's in metro Tucson.
Oops. You are right. It's Pima. That explains it. Must be part of the Tucson MSA.
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Old 01-14-2012, 12:13 AM
 
Location: East Central Phoenix
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I agree it's a poor definition. The Census should exclude Pinal county for accuracy's sake even if it excludes some areas in Queen Creek. To include all of Pinal County is beyond ridiculous. This is why we have to make some practical inference when we read these reports.
Part of Pinal County is very much part of the Phoenix MSA, but it's a rather small part. Queen Creek, San Tan Valley, Maricopa, and Apache Junction are considered to be far flung suburbs, but they definitely are included as part of the metro area for very good reasons. However, Casa Grande, Florence, and Coolidge should not be included because they are very much separate. One day, they might all connect, except for Casa Grande (which is separated from the Phoenix suburbs by reservation land).

I would also say that a good part of western and all of SW Maricopa County should be excluded from the Phoenix MSA, including Gila Bend and Wickenburg. Those towns are completely separate from the metro area and not considered Phoenix suburbs by any sense. Besides, much of western Maricopa County is undeveloped desert land.

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Old 01-14-2012, 11:39 AM
 
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So, why is there a disparency between the Census definition and popular definitions? Should the Census Bureau change their definition of a Metropolitan Statistical Area?
Is there a popular definition of a "statistical area"? I've never heard that term in relation to anything but stats. It's just lines to slice up data. It means almost nothing.
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Old 01-14-2012, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Queen Creek, AZ
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Is there a popular definition of a "statistical area"? I've never heard that term in relation to anything but stats. It's just lines to slice up data. It means almost nothing.
I meant popular definition for the metropolitan area.
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Old 01-14-2012, 01:52 PM
 
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Back to the original question, I don't know why the Census Bureau sets up the areas as they do, so I don't know if they "should' change it. Currently, it would provide fairly skewed information to people who look at the data and assume it refers to a geographically smaller area than the census is actually using. I don't think the census people care about what the "popular definition" of a metro area is, if they did, Phoenix's would not include all of Pinal County.

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Old 01-14-2012, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, Arizona
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I would also say that a good part of western and all of SW Maricopa County should be excluded from the Phoenix MSA, including Gila Bend and Wickenburg. Those towns are completely separate from the metro area and not considered Phoenix suburbs by any sense. Besides, much of western Maricopa County is undeveloped desert land.
Except, a large portion of their respective populations commute to the Phoenix area for employment, just as Casa Grande and Maricopa. So even if not considered a suburb, they are still of some relevance to the Phoenix area and need to be included in data.
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Old 01-14-2012, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Queen Creek, AZ
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BTW, I just learned that prior to the 1990 Census, the Phoenix Metropolitan Statistical Area did not include Pinal County; it was added after the 1990 Census.
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