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Old 09-04-2007, 10:54 PM
 
Location: Gainesville, Florida
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Hello,

My family and I are visiting Phoenix and staying at the Embassy Suites Biltmore on Camelback Road. We will be driving south into downtown Phoenix on Highway 51 in the morning and returning in the evening. Can anyone tell me what the traffic flow is like during these hours? We'll be loft/apartment hunting downtown during the day.

I appreciate any tips or insight from seasoned driver's in the Phoenix area.
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Old 09-05-2007, 12:25 AM
 
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The 51 is a parking lot during rush hours, worse than most LA freeways, but you're staying very close to downtown so it shouldn't be much of a problem. You're close enough to take surface streets to downtown instead of the 51 if you prefer.
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Old 09-05-2007, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Surprise, Az
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The 51 is a parking lot during rush hours, worse than most LA freeways,
How can it be worse then L.A. freeways? Nothing is worse then the 405 (and it is pretty much 24/7 in L.A.)
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Old 09-05-2007, 09:52 AM
 
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I've lived in both places and believe me the 51 in Phoenix (and I-17 too) are worse than the 405. While traffic and the 405 in LA have improved, Phoenix continues to get more and more congested.
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Old 09-05-2007, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Surprise, Az
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I just left L.A. (moved in June of this year) and the traffic on all the freeways has in LA has gotten worse...not improved. Even the 14 is jammed up because the population of the AV is over 500,000 now.

The traffic on the 405 will never improve (airport traffic) and like I said it can be jammed 24/7.

The 51 in Phoenix is a breeze during off peak, the 17 is a breeze during off peak...that can never be said about the 405, 101, I-5, I-10 in LA.
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Old 09-05-2007, 10:41 AM
 
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I've lived in both places and believe me the 51 in Phoenix (and I-17 too) are worse than the 405. While traffic and the 405 in LA have improved, Phoenix continues to get more and more congested.
I have been hearing this more and more, though the few times I have driven in LA during supposedly "off peak" times were REALLY bad, nothing like our off peak. I watched traffic from our hotel window ALL night and it was heavy. Like nothing I've ever seen before.
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Old 09-05-2007, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Arizona, The American Southwest
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In the commute to and from downtown to the Embassy Suites, you might want to consider using 7th Street because it has the reversable lane. The SR 51 is not as bad as somebody here stated, but there is one area to get on the freeway that can get backed up and that's what you would likely be using to get on the 51 if you're coming from The Biltmore area. Camelback Road does not have direct access to the southbound lanes, so you'll have to use Highland, which is about a quarter of a mile south of Camelback Road and is not a main thoroughway, and traffic on Highland can get pretty bad in the morning. That's why it's a good idea to take 7th Street.
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Old 09-05-2007, 02:43 PM
 
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Jesus some people really have a bad grasp of things. The 51 worse then the LA freeways? Yeah right!
Other then the rush hour traffic, it's wide open usually. Even rush hour isn't as bad as places like LA.
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Old 09-06-2007, 05:02 PM
 
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It's GOD TO HELL AWWWWFUL.... But, 51 isn't as bad as 10 at 4:45, 5pm... Riding the 10 is just asking for an embullism....
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Old 09-06-2007, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Gainesville, Florida
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I love this Forum. Thank you all for the insight! Now I have something to work with. We'll be leaving the hotel around 9 am during the week heading south to downtown. My daughter wants to live in a loft downtown. She'll be working in Goodyear at lockheed. I wonder how her commute will be heading west from I-10 into Goodyear in the morning? I would prefer she live in Goodyear close to her job due to convenience. Or if she isn't open to that option the Biltmore area seems to be a cleaner, safer place to live? Not sure how that commute would work out. I imagine the closer she is to I-10 the better.
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