Push to legalize brothels in Phoenix area for Super Bowl (Glendale: to rent, hotel)

[azriverfan.]

Originally Posted by Bondurant

Again, this is not exclusive to Phoenix or Arizona or conservative politics. Hard progressives are some of the staunchest anti-porn/anti-prostitution crusaders you could hope to find. Prostitution isn't legal anywhere in these United States of America outside of Nevada.

Where did you get that progressives are against the legalization of prostitution. They don't endorse the concept of mysogyny and the objectification of women which is consistent with both porn and prostitution. However, that doesn't mean they oppose laws that allow prostitution to be legalized. Many progressives endorse legalization of it to regulate it and prevent abuse that occurs within it.

This is conservative politics. Make no mistake. Many conservatives are evangelicals and their decisions are often based on church doctrine. And while this isn't unique to Arizona, our legislature has embarrassed themselves with ridiculous social policy. Look no further than 1062.

Nonetheless, as you are seeing with so many states adopting gay marriage and marijuana legalization, at some point, this too will be legalized when many social conservatives die off with the younger generations being more progressive.

[Bondurant]

No, some progressives support the "regulation" aspect because it adds an increase in tax revenue. Many progressives including the blog Daily Kos, feminist groups and human rights organizations opposed legalization. There's a reason why even in cities with progressives leanings, like San Francisco, there is still plenty of efforts to "clean up the streets" and do prostitution stings. Even in Amsterdam there has been decreased freedom in the trade over the past few years.

I agree it won't happen here anytime soon because of religious zealotry and it's better financially for the state to have more vices illegal. But you've a knack of late to make some issues out to be Arizona and/or conservative centric when they are, in fact, not.

[azriverfan.]

Originally Posted by Bondurant

No, some progressives support the "regulation" aspect because it adds an increase in tax revenue. Many progressives including the blog Daily Kos, feminist groups and human rights organizations opposed legalization. There's a reason why even in cities with progressives leanings, like San Francisco, there is still plenty of efforts to "clean up the streets" and do prostitution stings. Even in Amsterdam there has been decreased freedom in the trade over the past few years.

I agree it won't happen here anytime soon because of religious zealotry and it's better financially for the state to have more vices illegal. But you've a knack of late to make some issues out to be Arizona and/or conservative centric when they are, in fact, not.

Likewise, I think some conservatives like yourself took offense to my earlier comments about the casino and have become defensive as a result reaching to make points that are not really valid . Many progressives are not religious and certainly not fundamentalist. They don't view prostitution as being immoral and since sex is freely dispersed, they see no harm in charging money for it. Whereas, evangelicals and fundamentalists see it as being an immoral issue and want to prevent it's spread much like they are against legalization of drugs, gambling and other vice. And I never said this issue was specific to Arizona. I said our legislature isn't progressive or intelligent enough to pass something like this. That doesn't mean I'm limiting this view to Arizona.

[wit-nit]

Fox Phoenix is about 3 weeks late with this story. This same article was reported in the AZ Central and AZ Republic 7-9-14.
http://www.azcentral.com/story/money...thel/12404087/

[Potential_Landlord]

Particularly given our history in AZ, what's the beef with making prostitution illegal? Take a tour with the local historical society in any of our old, non-Mormon settlements and you find Whiskey Row with its Brothels - Prescott, Flagstaff, Jerome, Tombstone, Bisbee, ... Now it's all hush-hush like it never happened.

[Potential_Landlord]

Originally Posted by observer53

The Libertarian colors are out in the population but not in the legislature, which is what matters in this situation. I don't see this happening, "regulation" or not.

There is something severely wrong with our election system if the legislature diverges so meaningfully from the will of the people. Did we get ours from Putin?

[magnum0417]

I will take it a step further.Rapes and sex crimes will decrease.Yes, rapists like control which motivates them.However, most are ugly as heck and have likely gone decades without getting their wee wee wet.Therefore, they'd have an outlet to release sexual frustration and it may prevent a few rapes along the way.The only people upset will be Nevada, Nogales and social conservatives.

[kell490]

Prostitution was taxed and controlled as well as they could in the 19th and 20th century but the religious community like Mormons worked to get it shut down. I wonder if the reason it never was banned in Nevada on a state level due to the lack of Religious influence in the state.

[New Horizons]

Maybe the brothels could use Bitcoins as payment.
Bitcoin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Since it's not government currency, it wouldn't be prostitution. It would be no different then giving diamond earrings (the socially acceptable form of payment), to a woman for favors.

Originally Posted by Valley Native

Nevada brothel owner wants to open business for Super Bowl - FOX 10 News | myfoxphoenix.com

I found this rather humorous, and interesting. Dennis Hof, who owns several successful legal brothels in Nevada, is pushing to legalize the business in AZ on a temporary basis and open up brothels in the Phoenix area for the upcoming Super Bowl.

My guess is that it will never get off the ground here. First of all, just because brothels are legal in Nevada doesn't mean they are allowed all over that state. They are mostly confined to Nevada's rural areas. The Las Vegas area (Clark County) does not have any legal brothels due to a statute in their law which mandates they must operate in areas under a certain population. Therefore, that alone would exclude pretty much all of metro Phoenix from having something like this. In addition, I can't see Tom Horne or Bill Montgomery approving this, even temporarily.

On the other hand, Hof is certainly correct: the illegality of it causes it to exist anyway on the internet and in the black market. Legalizing it the way Nevada has would actually cut down on the problems with back alley prostitutes, STDs, and trafficking. Nevada is the only state by far that allows prostitution, and it's regulated to the point where it is actually a very safe & profitable business. I can't see it happening in Arizona, but I would personally have no problem with it if it were to become legal here. Wouldn't affect my life (or most anybody else's) one way or the other.

[Zippyman]

Originally Posted by azriverfan.

Likewise, I think some conservatives like yourself took offense to my earlier comments about the casino and have become defensive as a result reaching to make points that are not really valid . Many progressives are not religious and certainly not fundamentalist. They don't view prostitution as being immoral and since sex is freely dispersed, they see no harm in charging money for it. Whereas, evangelicals and fundamentalists see it as being an immoral issue and want to prevent it's spread much like they are against legalization of drugs, gambling and other vice. And I never said this issue was specific to Arizona. I said our legislature isn't progressive or intelligent enough to pass something like this. That doesn't mean I'm limiting this view to Arizona.

the last major truly "bipartisan" legislation we had before 9/11 was the "online communications decency act", which - if you remember correctly, effectively criminalized a huge portion of the internet until it was struck down by the courts. All the politicians on both sides of the aisle loved it, and it was exceeded in overreaching zeal only by the next major "bipartisan" love-fest, which was the "patriot" act.. In my humble opinion, those two snippets of law might both be categorized as the ones that (while wrapped in flags) were the most anti-american, and anti-freedom laws ever produced in my lifetime.

I love my country, but it wasn't that long ago that a presidential dalliance locked up our federal government for a couple of years, we have our own bi-partisan moral "taliban" & they have more sway than most americans are willing to admit.