I'm a former NYC resident and I love Phoenix, here is why (Scottsdale: transplants, rent)

[sunluv]

Originally Posted by BIG CATS

Yes, thats the more appropriate word, but the palms dont occur here naturally, hence the reason I used that word.

Who cares? They're cool.

[new2colo]

Originally Posted by BIG CATS

Yes, thats the more appropriate word, but the palms dont occur here naturally, hence the reason I used that word.

There is a stand of Mexican fan palms right off the 17 along the New River that actually are native. However, I agree that most of the palm tree varieties here are not native.

[BIG CATS]

Originally Posted by new2colo

There is a stand of Mexican fan palms right off the 17 along the Hassayampa River bed that actually are native. However, I agree that most of the palm tree varieties here are not native.

I believe there is only one species of palm native to AZ, and its only found in a tiny grove near Tucson. Its funny how people think palms are native. I just tell em "when you hike in the Phoenix Mountains, do you see any palms growing inside the park?" They usually scratch their heads and respond with statements like "no, I dont, actually. Never thought of that!"

[JGMotorsport64]

Originally Posted by BIG CATS

I believe there is only one species of palm native to AZ, and its only found in a tiny grove near Tucson. Its funny how people think palms are native. I just tell em "when you hike in the Phoenix Mountains, do you see any palms growing inside the park?" They usually scratch their heads and respond with statements like "no, I dont, actually. Never thought of that!"

Palms are native in lower and wetter conditions. Primarily the Arizona fan palm. New River has them, Yuma has them Tucson has them. In fact old pre-development/urban engineering Phoenix had them. But they weren't on mountains

So they aren't actually wrong.

By your logic none of Phoenix is native since it was primarily razed for agriculture or landscaping of plants while Native, aren't native to that exact location. Thus my Palo Verde isn't a native plant, eventhough it is. It just wasn't right there natively.

[BIG CATS]

Originally Posted by JGMotorsport64

Palms are native in lower and wetter conditions. Primarily the Arizona fan palm. New River has them, Yuma has them Tucson has them. In fact old pre-development/urban engineering Phoenix had them. But they weren't on mountains

So they aren't actually wrong.

By your logic none of Phoenix is native since it was primarily razed for agriculture or landscaping of plants while Native, aren't native to that exact location. Thus my Palo Verde isn't a native plant, eventhough it is. It just wasn't right there natively.

What are you rambling on about?

Palm trees are not native to Phoenix. Never have been, never will be. So yes, I was correct in my original statement. And in fact, there is only ONE palm type native to the American West, the California fan palm (very rarely referred to as the "AZ fan palm"), which primarily grows in... you guessed it! California. There is a tiny cluster here and there in AZ, thats it.

[JGMotorsport64]

Originally Posted by BIG CATS

What are you rambling on about?

Palm trees are not native to Phoenix. Never have been, never will be. So yes, I was correct in my original statement. And in fact, there is only ONE palm type native to the American West, the California fan palm (very rarely referred to as the "AZ fan palm"), which primarily grows in... you guessed it! California. There is a tiny cluster here and there in AZ, thats it.

Right, it's native to the Sonoran Desert which Phoenix is a part of. It favors lower and wetter conditions than the current Phoenix or most of Arizona but it hasn't always been this way around here. We've eliminated a lot of our own Riparian habitats through engineering water supplies. We'd probably see more clusters in the Sonoran/Mohave Deserts if that weren't the case.

I'm rambling that it is a native plant to the Sonoran desert in the right conditions, of course it won't be on the Phoenix Mountain Preserve, those aren't the right conditions. Yuma and the lower Colorado River valley have the right conditions.

But the point is moot.

[BIG CATS]

Originally Posted by JGMotorsport64

Right, it's native to the Sonoran Desert which Phoenix is a part of. It favors lower and wetter conditions than the current Phoenix or most of Arizona but it hasn't always been this way around here. We've eliminated a lot of our own Riparian habitats through engineering water supplies. We'd probably see more clusters in the Sonoran/Mohave Deserts if that weren't the case.

I'm rambling that it is a native plant to the Sonoran desert in the right conditions, of course it won't be on the Phoenix Mountain Preserve, those aren't the right conditions. Yuma and the lower Colorado River valley have the right conditions.

But the point is moot.

Actually, it only looks like they grow more in the western portions Sonoran Desert, and only in 2 spots, which is less than I thought. They dont occur naturally anywhere near Yuma.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:W..._range_map.png

[locolife]

Originally Posted by BIG CATS

Actually, it only looks like they grow more in the western portions Sonoran Desert, and only in 2 spots, which is less than I thought. They dont occur naturally anywhere near Yuma.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:W..._range_map.png

You guys do realize how ridiculous you sound right now right?

[gbpakrfan]

Originally Posted by locolife

You guys do realize how ridiculous you sound right now right?

Not sure what palm trees have to do with the original subject, which was posted several years ago. Although, we can all agree, any palm trees in New York are probably not native, either.

[deboinair]

Wow OP is one of the rare New Yorkers that don't **** and moan and compare everything to NY. Very annoying. I'm from Miami and I agree with everything that was written. I love the West coast attitude vs the fake, always have something to prove east coast attitudes.

Phoenix is the best kept secret. I just hope it doesn't get too popular. I don't want too many east coast people coming over. ha ha