Trump protesters block Shea Blvd. in Fountain Hills

[Arizona Mike]

Originally Posted by Pax Per Scientiam

While I'm glad you're defending the First Amendment with regard to protesting, civil disobedience against injustices is an important American tradition. Sure, it's illegal; but, I would argue most Americans find the illegal actions conducted by those in the Abolitionist, Women's Suffrage, Labor, and Civil Rights movements to have been just.

If protestors truly believe that a Trump presidency represents a threat to their livelihoods or even their lives, such protestations may be considered just. I suppose, only time will tell.

Would you consider disrupting Hillary's or Bernie Sanders' rallies, preventing their followers from having access to their meetings, and preventing anyone else (such as those who may have an urgent need to travel through the area) as just, because they consider Hillary's and Bernie's support for abortion as a threat to innocent lives, or because they consider Bernie and Hillary's tax plans a threat to their livelihoods?

I'm not saying you don't see those protests as equally "just," I'm just honestly curious. If anyone gets to decide to break the law and deny others their constitutional rights to assembly and free speech based on a perceived threat to their life, however tenuous that threat may be, are all such politically motivated violations of the law "just"?

[pbenjamin]

Originally Posted by Arizona Mike

Would you consider disrupting Hillary's or Bernie Sanders' rallies, preventing their followers from having access to their meetings, and preventing anyone else (such as those who may have an urgent need to travel through the area) as just, because they consider Hillary's and Bernie's support for abortion as a threat to innocent lives, or because they consider Bernie and Hillary's tax plans a threat to their livelihoods?

I'm not saying you don't see those protests as equally "just," I'm just honestly curious. If anyone gets to decide to break the law and deny others their constitutional rights to assembly and free speech based on a perceived threat to their life, however tenuous that threat may be, are all such politically motivated violations of the law "just"?

Protests that violate laws are what they are. A Gandhi or an MLK would break the law and be willing to go to jail. That's how it works. Violence is where I draw the line. (Abortion foes have every right to protest, but not to shoot up clinics.) I strenuously oppose (the real estate developer) but I think blocking Shea was a bad strategic move. I admire their standing up for what they believe in though.

[BIG CATS]

Originally Posted by pbenjamin

Protests that violate laws are what they are. A Gandhi or an MLK would break the law and be willing to go to jail. That's how it works. Violence is where I draw the line. (Abortion foes have every right to protest, but not to shoot up clinics.) I strenuously oppose (the real estate developer) but I think blocking Shea was a bad strategic move. I admire their standing up for what they believe in though.

Thats all fine and dandy, but as soon as they start disrupting business and blocking major thoroughfares, thats when it becomes idiotic. Do these toolbags NOT realize that theyre only furthering peoples' desire to want to vote for Trump? Their childish antics are biting them in the arse, and Im loving every minute of it!

[pbenjamin]

Originally Posted by BIG CATS

Thats all fine and dandy, but as soon as they start disrupting business and blocking major thoroughfares, thats when it becomes idiotic. Do these toolbags NOT realize that theyre only furthering peoples' desire to want to vote for Trump? Their childish antics are biting them in the arse, and Im loving every minute of it!

That's what I was getting at when I said it was a bad strategic move.