Trump protesters block Shea Blvd. in Fountain Hills (Congress: house, unemployment)

[ScottsdaleMark]

Originally Posted by kell490

What if an ambiance was trying to get though with someone who had a stroke or heart attack and these idiots blocked the road.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XstfPyvTQDo

I don't know if they considered that fact at all but fortunately anyone headed to a hospital would be headed westbound on Shea towards the hospital at 90th Street and Shea. No one would be heading east to get to a hospital because according to City-Data and Google there are no hospitals in Fountain Hills.

I suppose it is possible, though, if there was a big emergency in FH and the FH police/fire couldn't handle it, that Scottsdale might send police/fire/ambulances into FH, and in that case, yes it would be a public safety issue.

Generally speaking it's never a good idea to close down a road especially when there are no alternate routes nearby...you have to go down to the reservation and pick up the Beeline, or all the way up and around via Rio Verde to get into FH if Shea is closed.

[azriverfan.]

Originally Posted by ScottsdaleMark

I don't know if they considered that fact at all but fortunately anyone headed to a hospital would be headed westbound on Shea towards the hospital at 90th Street and Shea. No one would be heading east to get to a hospital because according to City-Data and Google there are no hospitals in Fountain Hills.

I suppose it is possible, though, if there was a big emergency in FH and the FH police/fire couldn't handle it, that Scottsdale might send police/fire/ambulances into FH, and in that case, yes it would be a public safety issue.

Generally speaking it's never a good idea to close down a road especially when there are no alternate routes nearby...you have to go down to the reservation and pick up the Beeline, or all the way up and around via Rio Verde to get into FH if Shea is closed.

It doesn't matter if it's a hospital or you just want to get to your home. No one should have access blocked ILLLEGALLY because someone decided to block a major street to an event to protest it and prevent people from attending it. I don't support Trump but these people are idiots.....yes idiots and anyone who defends their actions are idiots too. If you want to protest Trump, do it responsibly, don't shut down a road. Again I should be surprised but I am not that people would actually defend these protester's actions to block a road.

[azriverfan.]

Originally Posted by GeneR

I'm not so sure HRC can win an election.

Really? Look at at her battle against Sanders. She is wiping the floor with him. How can you argue that she can't win an election.

You mark my words, she will win in a landslide in the general election. I would not be surprised if she wins Arizona too.

[Magnum Mike]

Originally Posted by Valley Native

Protesters try to block access to Trump rally in Arizona, ahead of big primary in border state | Fox News

While I definitely defend the right to free speech, this is going way too far. Blocking a major thoroughfare goes beyond the limits of the First Amendment ... in fact, it's absolutely criminal what these protesters are doing! They're not only blocking people who are going to hear Donald Trump speak, they're impeding the general traffic flow on the only major road in and out of Fountain Hills. Many people use Shea Boulevard to as a route to the Beeline Highway ... but now they have to somehow find an alternate route thanks to these idiots who have nothing better to do with their time. I hope the police arrest every one of them!

Protesting and Free Speech is a right, there's nothing wrong with carrying a sign to express your opinion about something or someone, but breaking the law by stopping traffic on a very busy Shea Blvd/SR 87 is not a right. I saw how long the line was and most motorists were just driving through that area. I agree with you, and I hope those idiots will get prosecuted for their ignorance.

[JGMotorsport64]

Originally Posted by azriverfan.

Really? Look at at her battle against Sanders. She is wiping the floor with him. How can you argue that she can't win an election.

You mark my words, she will win in a landslide in the general election. I would not be surprised if she wins Arizona too.

I don't see it that way, she's had a moderate challenge from a grass roots 74 year old Independent calling himself a Socialist, and that includes her enthusiasm gap. She has work to do and is fortunate the GOP is what it is right now.

[azriverfan.]

Originally Posted by JGMotorsport64

I don't see it that way, she's had a moderate challenge from a grass roots 74 year old Independent calling himself a Socialist, and that includes her enthusiasm gap. She has work to do and is fortunate the GOP is what it is right now.

Again, put the rhetoric aside and look at the numbers. Clinton had 1,711 delegates, including 1,229 pledged delegates and 482 super delegates. Sanders has 939 delegates, including 912 pledged delegates and 27 superdelegates. A total of 2,383 delegates is needed to clinch the nomination. It's no contest and never has been one. Even in Arizona, naive residents thought Bernie was going to win and they called the primary for Hillary 3 hours after polls opened. It wasn't close. Bernie had some nice commercials here and campaigned hard here and made you think "Oh he has a chance to win here" NOPE...it didn't happen. All rhetoric

And it didn't matter who the Republican nominee would have been, Clinton was going to win. The reason is simple, all the minorities are voting for the Democratic nominee because the Republican strategy has been to cater to its base. You can't win if you ostracize minorities. You can get away with that in Arizona but not in a general election. It's just made it easier because Trump and Cruz are so far to the right. I would not be surprised to see Arizona go to Clinton in the general election. She is going to win in a landslide against Trump.

It's for this reason, I don't see a Republican President for at least another two elections. Because their strategy is fundamentally flawed and will give Democrats easy victories until they wake up and realize they have to stop catering to their base and approach things from a more moderate perspective.

[Ztonyg]

Originally Posted by azriverfan.

Again, put the rhetoric aside and look at the numbers. Clinton had 1,711 delegates, including 1,229 pledged delegates and 482 super delegates. Sanders has 939 delegates, including 912 pledged delegates and 27 superdelegates. A total of 2,383 delegates is needed to clinch the nomination. It's no contest and never has been one. Even in Arizona, naive residents thought Bernie was going to win and they called the primary for Hillary 3 hours after polls opened. It wasn't close. Bernie had some nice commercials here and campaigned hard here and made you think "Oh he has a chance to win here" NOPE...it didn't happen. All rhetoric

And it didn't matter who the Republican nominee would have been, Clinton was going to win. The reason is simple, all the minorities are voting for the Democratic nominee because the Republican strategy has been to cater to its base. You can't win if you ostracize minorities. You can get away with that in Arizona but not in a general election. It's just made it easier because Trump and Cruz are so far to the right. I would not be surprised to see Arizona go to Clinton in the general election. She is going to win in a landslide against Trump.

It's for this reason, I don't see a Republican President for at least another two elections. Because their strategy is fundamentally flawed and will give Democrats easy victories until they wake up and realize they have to stop catering to their base and approach things from a more moderate perspective.

Clinton has always been popular in Arizona. In a lot of ways, it has to do with voting demographics. The senior citizen population (which Arizona has a high percentage of) loves Clinton. Remember, Clinton won the state in 2008 at a time when Obama devoted serious time and financial resources to his campaign here.

I can easily see Clinton winning in Arizona in the general election. Her husband won in Arizona in 1996. Especially as I can see Gary Johnson getting a decent amount of votes from libertarian leaning independents.

[Hschlick84]

Originally Posted by azriverfan.

Again, put the rhetoric aside and look at the numbers. Clinton had 1,711 delegates, including 1,229 pledged delegates and 482 super delegates. Sanders has 939 delegates, including 912 pledged delegates and 27 superdelegates. A total of 2,383 delegates is needed to clinch the nomination. It's no contest and never has been one. Even in Arizona, naive residents thought Bernie was going to win and they called the primary for Hillary 3 hours after polls opened. It wasn't close. Bernie had some nice commercials here and campaigned hard here and made you think "Oh he has a chance to win here" NOPE...it didn't happen. All rhetoric

And it didn't matter who the Republican nominee would have been, Clinton was going to win. The reason is simple, all the minorities are voting for the Democratic nominee because the Republican strategy has been to cater to its base. You can't win if you ostracize minorities. You can get away with that in Arizona but not in a general election. It's just made it easier because Trump and Cruz are so far to the right. I would not be surprised to see Arizona go to Clinton in the general election. She is going to win in a landslide against Trump.

It's for this reason, I don't see a Republican President for at least another two elections. Because their strategy is fundamentally flawed and will give Democrats easy victories until they wake up and realize they have to stop catering to their base and approach things from a more moderate perspective.

Id say by 2024, we'll have a GOP president. I think after 16 years, Democratic fatigue will settle in.

[JGMotorsport64]

Originally Posted by Hschlick84

Id say by 2024, we'll have a GOP president. I think after 16 years, Democratic fatigue will settle in.

Not at their current pace that's for sure. A Trump Nomination will have serious consequences an a lot of soul searching for a party representing people whom many will be dead in 2024.

If any gap is apparent in modern politics it's the generational gap. Problem for GOP is their generation, considering long term viability.

[Hschlick84]

Originally Posted by JGMotorsport64

Not at their current pace that's for sure. A Trump Nomination will have serious consequences an a lot of soul searching for a party representing people whom many will be dead in 2024.

If any gap is apparent in modern politics it's the generational gap. Problem for GOP is their generation, considering long term viability.

The way the GOP is campaigning, I'm not surprised. They will only win if they can get the moderate vote along with the base conservatives. I'm not a fan of Trump, he isn't a conservative or for free market capitalism. He's just a populist using slogans and fear mongering.

My issue is, the Democratic party can only run on the same agenda until people become exhausted and want a different perspective. Psychologically, it's healthy for the country to have an opposing political party in office occasionally. It's why we have elections every 4 years, we cannot go down the path of left wing politics for long periods of time. The culprit comes from mainstream media, union labor being in public education and how it influences the young masses. The Democratic party of today isn't the party of JFK or even Bill Clinton.