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Old 10-11-2016, 10:25 AM
 
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I have lived on or off this road for 12 years. I think this is a good idea.

Big changes proposed for Missouri Avenue in Phoenix - azfamily.com 3TV | Phoenix Breaking News, Weather, Sport
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Old 10-11-2016, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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Interesting. I always liked Missouri Avenue in that north-central area ... a lot of nice homes in through there. I do think area residents use it as one option for a through-way, just as they do with other half-mile streets. Turning it into a two-lane road probably would push more cars onto Bethany and Camelback, certainly. Traffic in north-central is bad already and will only get worse as more and more people and developments infill the area.

The real question might be, why this unnecessary project in a nice neighborhood in an already-nice, expensive part of town? Surely there are more pressing needs in the City of Phoenix. Maybe it's trickle-down development..."if we make the nicer areas even more nice, then eventually the rising tide will lift all boats." I don't necessarily disagree for adjacent areas, we've already seen that with numerous neighborhoods that are downtown- and Central Ave-adjacent, however, it's a far bridge from there to some of the more far-flung impoverished areas of Phoenix.

I think maybe if the city spent more money on code enforcement, that would help life all boats immediately, to continue the metaphor. Try to keep the entire city clean, rather than just focusing on the "nice" areas.
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Old 10-11-2016, 12:49 PM
 
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squeaky wheel gets the grease?
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Old 10-11-2016, 12:50 PM
 
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Interesting. I always liked Missouri Avenue in that north-central area ... a lot of nice homes in through there. I do think area residents use it as one option for a through-way, just as they do with other half-mile streets. Turning it into a two-lane road probably would push more cars onto Bethany and Camelback, certainly. Traffic in north-central is bad already and will only get worse as more and more people and developments infill the area.

The real question might be, why this unnecessary project in a nice neighborhood in an already-nice, expensive part of town? Surely there are more pressing needs in the City of Phoenix. Maybe it's trickle-down development..."if we make the nicer areas even more nice, then eventually the rising tide will lift all boats." I don't necessarily disagree for adjacent areas, we've already seen that with numerous neighborhoods that are downtown- and Central Ave-adjacent, however, it's a far bridge from there to some of the more far-flung impoverished areas of Phoenix.

I think maybe if the city spent more money on code enforcement, that would help life all boats immediately, to continue the metaphor. Try to keep the entire city clean, rather than just focusing on the "nice" areas.

Thanks for your comments.

It has not been safe to ride a bike on Missouri Avenue for 12 years. The speed limit is rarely observed, and I have never seen a cop pulling over anyone for speeding. Not nice.

I would be interested to hear from neighbors about this issue.
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Old 10-11-2016, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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This is like when Tempe reduced Mill from 4 lanes to 2. It made rush hour worse in the north Tempe area. And as I now live off Maryland and 19th Ave, this hits close to home for me. I am not in favor of this
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Old 10-11-2016, 01:52 PM
 
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Streets aren't just for cars.... Mill would be an empty **** show if it was more lanes
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Old 10-11-2016, 02:25 PM
 
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Streets aren't just for cars.... Mill would be an empty **** show if it was more lanes
They narrowed it to add on-street parking and a more neo-traditional street scene, not for pedestrians or bikes.
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Old 10-12-2016, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Not Weird, Just Mildly Interesting
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They narrowed it to add on-street parking and a more neo-traditional street scene, not for pedestrians or bikes.
And turned downtown into a monster cluster. Great experiment, didn't work out as planned.
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Old 10-12-2016, 05:36 PM
 
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And turned downtown into a monster cluster. Great experiment, didn't work out as planned.
I didn't like the plan when it was announced, but it works out fine IMO. There's plenty of alternative routes if you know the area (and it should be avoided unless you're actually going to a place on Mill). I've used the on street parking several times as well and it's nice.
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Old 10-12-2016, 09:59 PM
 
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I didn't like the plan when it was announced, but it works out fine IMO. There's plenty of alternative routes if you know the area (and it should be avoided unless you're actually going to a place on Mill). I've used the on street parking several times as well and it's nice.
Major roads should prioritize cars in their design, the minor roads should accomodate pedestrians and cyclists. It is pretty simple.
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