Scottsdale Planning Dept Ban on Del Taco and Metro PCS (Phoenix: income, tax)

[ShampooBanana]

The Scottsdale Planning Department is not banning anybody based on brand, as that would be unconstitutional and would also open themselves up to lawsuit. They can restrict certain types of businesses (like adult-oriented, etc) to be certain distances from schools, churches, or residential areas etc., and they can restrict layouts and density of commercial uses, but not brands. Now, there my be tenant restrictions in a shopping center that would keep out a certain retailer or type of retailer as it would conflict with an existing tenant, but that's a private matter confined to a particular lease agreement and has nothing to do with the City restricting anything.


Also, do you think it just might have something to do with those retailers not decided to locate in Scottsdale for other reasons, like not finding suitable land, or not focusing on it because they don't feel it fits their target customer demographics?

Spoiler

(Disclaimer: former urban planner/economic developer now working in real estate development)

[motormaker]

Originally Posted by Arizona89A

I'm a west coast native who appreciates retailers who offer great values, so when I observe a city banning stores presumably because they generate less tax revenue, because they offer lower cost products, I do not appreciate such policies.

Thinking about this thought I'd see what you think.

There are no del tacos in the city limits of Scottsdale. And, only one metro PCS in south Scottsdale.

Also, only two Walmarts, in fact, Cave Creek gets all the taxes from north Scottsdale residents, with their new Walmart on the Scottsdale county line (Freudian slip, I won't fix this. lol )

Just one Costco, should be another in South Scottsdale.

No Whole Foods, either, which would be a real winner for taxes. Looks like the City, like most of the state, dislikes big box stores.

I sure hope Littlefield isn't elected as Scottsdale mayor as he is very anti business.

The most pro business area in the Southwest is Riverside county, except Palm Springs.

San Diego metro also anti business in terms of retail. Carlsbad bans Stater Brothers, the best grocer on planet earth.

I'd like to see all the stores represented where they are now underrepresented. The sales taxes help all of us.

Thoughts???

You will find a Stater Bros Market in Carlsbad here. 2687 Gateway Rd.
Carlsbad, CA 92009-1726

[New Horizons]

Originally Posted by cjseliga

I was surprised that there were any Del Taco or Taco Bells in Arizona at all, I would think with all of the local Mom and Pop mexican chains and choices to choose from, the national chains would have avoided Arizona all together, but I guess the limited amount that are in Arizona are making enough money to stay open.

For some reason though I find Taco Bell and Green Burrito restaurants to have tastier food than your ....o's restaurants. It's like Taco Bell has some mystery sauce that's so good. WHY can't they leave the steak XL Nachos on the menu year round

[Burning Madolf]

Awesome thread! Gettin my popcorn.

[Arizona89A]

Originally Posted by ScottsdaleMark

There is a Popeye's chicken in Scottsdale and another on the Indian reservation. So, this basically disproves the whole rant given it's not like chicken places have some high-class reputation. There's also a KFC serving the southern part of the city's chicken needs.

There are also dollar stores throughout much of Scottsdale including in upscale areas like the Dollar Tree at FLW and Via Linda.

Please note there are very few Del Taco's in the Valley. There are only 14 in the whole Valley according to their website when I search for restaurants near Scottsdale.

Also, south Scottsdale is served by the Costco on 44th and Thomas. It's not like they Costco's every two miles or anything. There's also the Airpark one and the PV Mall one. Plenty of Costco's within five miles or so of almost everyone.

I also don't think it's even legal or feasible to "ban" certain brands but not others. This sort of thing leads to lots of lawsuits.

Not sure what you're trying to say about Walmarts...there's one in the Airpark area, one on the reservation at Indian Bend, and another nearby at PV Mall. Should they start building more big box stores in the far north part of the city? If you live up there, is that what you actually want, more big box stores instead of what's left of the open desert?

City councils and planning departments ban retail establishments all the time, for lots of reasons.
To compare, the Reno, Carson City, Gardnerville, area has about 350000 people, has 3 costcoes, and 7 or 8 Walmarts, and a del taco around every corner, it seems. 230000 people in Scottsdale, and that number goes way up in the winter.

Deer Valley was planned recently. They ban metro PCS and del taco. Their Walmart in the happy valley center is over capacity. I've never seen a more crowded Walmart, and the city refuses to allow another one.

The Scottsdale airpark Costco also way over capacity. City won't build another.

[Arizona89A]

Originally Posted by ShampooBanana

The Scottsdale Planning Department is not banning anybody based on brand, as that would be unconstitutional and would also open themselves up to lawsuit. They can restrict certain types of businesses (like adult-oriented, etc) to be certain distances from schools, churches, or residential areas etc., and they can restrict layouts and density of commercial uses, but not brands. Now, there my be tenant restrictions in a shopping center that would keep out a certain retailer or type of retailer as it would conflict with an existing tenant, but that's a private matter confined to a particular lease agreement and has nothing to do with the City restricting anything.


Also, do you think it just might have something to do with those retailers not decided to locate in Scottsdale for other reasons, like not finding suitable land, or not focusing on it because they don't feel it fits their target customer demographics?

Spoiler

(Disclaimer: former urban planner/economic developer now working in real estate development)

Its not unconstitutional, since in many cities, the city works with developers to determine the choice of retailers, size of stores, parking spaces, as you know. Scottsdale has very heavy handed top down planning.

Target demographics.... Del Taco and Metro PCS serve everyone. Metro PCs has the cheapest cell phones, but there are plenty of lower income folks in Scottsdale and Deer Valley.

[Arizona89A]

Originally Posted by DetroitN8V

That tin hat must get uncomfortable. There are tons of fast food restaurants and big box retailers throughout the city (too many IMO). Your theory is absurd.

Since there are so many, then why don't they like del Taco?

[locolife]

Originally Posted by Arizona89A

Since there are so many, then why don't they like del Taco?

The thought that Del Taco just isn't that popular has never even crossed your mind right?

10/2015: So, long Texas: Del Taco to close 12 restaurants, cut more than 200 jobs before Christmas. Four years after announcing a major expansion in Texas, Lake Forest-based Del Taco is closing all but one of its 13 Lone Star locations, resulting a 218 layoffs, according to records filed with the Texas Workforce

Del Taco - CLOSED - Mexican - 2223 E Florence Blvd, Casa Grande ...
Del Taco - CLOSED - Restaurants - 1530 W Grant Rd, Tucson, AZ ...
Del Taco - CLOSED - Restaurants - 960 E University Dr, Tempe, AZ ...

[DetroitN8V]

Originally Posted by Arizona89A

Since there are so many, then why don't they like del Taco?

Maybe there's simply not enough demand? Before going off into conspiracy theory land, why not consider the more logical answer?

[JGMotorsport64]

Originally Posted by Arizona89A

Since there are so many, then why don't they like del Taco?

Del Taco has been a sinking ship for years now.