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Old 08-28-2017, 07:49 AM
 
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No idea why anyone would call Sprouts a gourmet grocery store. It's a health food store with a little more variety in it's produce than Safeway or Fry's.
I didn't call it gourmet, but it does offer prime meats, artisan cheese's, lots of fresh produce you can't find everywhere and bulk offerings, all of which are referenced above that "Central market" has. As I said, AJ'S is the gourmet grocer for our market, but they absolutely still compete against Sprouts for the dollar
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Old 08-28-2017, 09:27 AM
 
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I'm a huge fan of Sprouts, but there's not much there that you can't get at Safeway or Fry's.

The Old Town Farmer's Market on Sundays in the cooler months is one of the best places to find unique items and produce that's tough to find elsewhere.
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Old 08-28-2017, 09:35 AM
 
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I'm a huge fan of Sprouts, but there's not much there that you can't get at Safeway or Fry's.

The Old Town Farmer's Market on Sundays in the cooler months is one of the best places to find unique items and produce that's tough to find elsewhere.
Yeah we have Farmers Markets out here as well. Love the fresh tamale's. Although I haven't been in a Safeway in years, I agree about Fry's, largely because they've had to step up their game the past few years to compete with Sprouts. Couldn't even get prime steaks at Fry's this time last year, now you can. They also have the bulk food, maybe a little less to offer as far as produce and meat such as the marinated carne asada my wife recently got from Sprouts. We also have a pizza oven and she gets the dough and fresh mozzarella from Sprouts as well as specialty sausages. Again I'm not the primary shopper in the family so I'm speaking from limited experience, but just pointing out from what I have seen, they have much of what is offered at the "gourmet" store that is being mentioned. I think the 60K sf store that was mentioned earlier probably does have much more, and I will admit my wife sometimes does go to both Sprouts and Fry's on the same trip so maybe there is something to be said about having it all under one roof.
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Old 08-28-2017, 09:36 AM
 
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Sounds like they only have ALL of the above at the 60,000 square foot store(s), not at the 30,000 SF stores in the higher rent areas? 30k is only a bit larger than a Sprouts which average around 25k. I can get most of what you mention above at Sprouts or AJ's, including the Prime steaks (that's all I eat), cotton candy grapes, aristisan breads and cheese's, deli meat sliced to order, Tillamook cheese, rare beers.etc. The tortillas and gelato I doubt, but the wife does most of the shopping so I'm not sure. I'd bet an AJ's or a Sprouts compares to the "smaller" Central Market but not the Mega location.
They have all of the above at all of the CM stores. Almost all Central Markets are 50,000-60,000 sq ft. The Preston Royal Central Market is located just north of University and Highland Park (entry point to buy a home there starts at $1.5-2 million) in Dallas is the 30,000 sq ft location because there was a demand from that demographic for a closer location even though there's a "traditional" sized CM only 10 minutes away at the Dallas location at Lovers Lane/Central Expressway. They moved into a former closed book store space and squished as much as they could in there by not making the aisles as wide, stacking the produce taller in a space that's not as wide, smaller counters for the fish counter, butcher, bakery, etc. https://www.dmagazine.com/food-drink...yal-in-dallas/

Sprouts is not comparable to Central Market, nor does it compete for the market that shops at CM. The produce Sprouts sells is the the 2nds and 3rds that didn't make the cut to be sold at Fry's or Safeway, which is why their pricepoint is less. And no, I can't find the obscure fruit at Sprouts (had to travel to Chandler to find lychee). The fish that is sold at Sprouts is severely limited and thawed on display from being frozen (usually only has tilapia, salmon and some other inexpensive fish and I've never seen a fish tank at any of their locations). I've never been impressed with the cuts of meat at Sprouts and honestly consider the selection at Fry's better. The Tillamook cheese I referenced was the "low end" of the deli counter- I was trying to point out that there's a very wide range of gourmet deli meats and cheeses. I have lived both in Dallas and Phoenix and I can assure you that AJs is not comparable to Central Market- it is more like Eatzi's Market with their ready made food offerings. IMHO AJs is more of a supplemental place to shop, and not an all-in-one stop. OP is obviously a foodie and takes his grocery shopping seriously since he mentions Whole Foods and Trader Joe's aren't his idea of gourmet.

OP I forgot to mention-
Schreiner's for sausage
Hobe Meats for steaks and pork chops
Essence Bakery (in Arcadia) for their baguettes and pastries
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Old 08-28-2017, 09:47 AM
 
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Sprouts is not comparable to Central Market, nor does it compete for the market that shops at CM. The produce Sprouts sells is the the 2nds and 3rds that didn't make the cut to be sold at Fry's or Safeway,
I do not agree with this AT ALL. Maybe whatever Sprouts you shop at has a poor produce manager that doesn't rotate out the produce fast enough but our produce from Sprouts has been top notch.
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Old 08-28-2017, 09:57 AM
 
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I do not agree with this AT ALL. Maybe whatever Sprouts you shop at has a poor produce manager that doesn't rotate out the produce fast enough but our produce from Sprouts has been top notch.
I agree with asu. We go to Sprouts primarily for produce, because it's so much better than what Safeway and Fry's has. Also, better prices. $1 avocados vs. $2.50 at Safeway yesterday.
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Old 08-28-2017, 11:58 AM
 
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The OP is referencing Central Market in Texas which is basically 60,000 sq ft (as small as 30,000 sq ft in affluent areas that command a higher real estate premium) of an epicurean shopping experience all on-site at one grocery store. The produce section will offer both extensive selection of high quality (not the 2nd choice produce that ends up at Sprouts) fruits and vegetables, with every possible option sold with an organic option offered. If you need to find obscure produce like lychee, cotton candy grapes, Okinawan sweet potato, pluots (hybrid of a plum and apricot), cranberries (when it's not fall), yellow watermelon, you will find it there in addition to your usual apples, oranges and lettuce. There is a butcher and fishmonger that both have dedicated refrigerated counters that are easily double the size of the average grocery store where you can get pretty much any cut of prime (not the lesser Grade select or choice) beef, ground bison, or fish flown in daily that's NOT frozen like Pacific salmon, gulf oysters, or lobsters from Maine. The wine/alcohol section is a dedicated section with a variety of beers from different regions of the country (i.e. Abita from Louisiana, Yuengling from the east coast) and wines from all across the globe. If you want to make paella, you can easily find a variety of specific saffron rices in the rice aisle. There's a dedicated gluten-free aisle. In the chip aisle, you can get unique regional items like Utz's crab chips or Cape Cod chips from the east coast, Zapp's chips from LA. There's a huge bulk section where you can get as little or as much candy, trail mixes, nuts, dried fruit, spices, coffee, grains, etc. The bakery has an on-site boulangerie that bakes a variety of fresh artisan bread loaves and baguettes daily that are similar to what you'd see at a French bakery. They also have gourmet cookie, bagel and muffin bars, yet ship in my favorite black and white cookies from a bakery in Brooklyn. The patisserie bakes high quality pastries, macarons, and cakes that are on par with a wedding cake bakery. There is an on-site tortilleria that makes a variety of corn and flour tortillas daily. There is an extensive cheese and deli section which carries Tillamook cheese, yet you can order deli meat cut in whatever thickness/weight from their in-house roasted turkey, chicken or roast beef. There is an olive, dip/spread, and sushi bar, in addition to a salad and soup bar with a fresh-ready made food counter which is twice the size of what you see at Whole Foods or AJs. On top of that, there is an on-site gelateria (they make gelato on-site which you can order individual servings or they pack pints or quarts for you) and cafe barista. There is also a high quality floral department, catering dept, cafe/dining area, cooking classes, and a children's playground outside the store.

If you are a foodie that is used to having all of this awesomeness in one spot, then yes, you do miss this kind of stuff if you don't have it. It was convenient for us to have it all in one spot and not have to go to Fry's Marketplace, Whole Foods, World Market, Costco, Trader Joe's, etc. which is what we had to do when we moved to Phoenix.The OP is not going to find an all-in-one grocery stop like Central Market in Phoenix. He is going to have to research and go to a variety of places to find the stuff he wants, or order online. Central Market is very successful and has 9 locations in Texas- it is the "high end" brand of the H-E-B grocery stores which are commonplace all over central and south Texas.
This literally sounds exactly like AJ's, at least the one by my house at Dana Park, minus the childrens' playground.
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Old 08-28-2017, 06:02 PM
 
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Betty_Baylor99 nailed it. I don't mind going to a bunch of stores to get all the goodies I want (spices, meats, veggies, seasonings, condiments etc), that's what I have to do now in ABQ. I was just hoping for one-stop shopping. But if it's a choice of gourmet grocery store/one stop shopping/Dallas vs Phoenix...no contest. I'll drive to all the little specialty stores in PHX

OTOH, it definitely sounds like I'll have LOTS more options down there, and I can definitely live with that! Oh, and several someones mentioned farmer's markets - woo hoo! (That's a compliment, not sarcasm - we're severely limited in decent farmer's markets here, IMO.)
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Old 08-28-2017, 11:41 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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I've seen several references to "Dana Park". Where is that?
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Old 08-29-2017, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ > Raleigh, NC
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I've seen several references to "Dana Park". Where is that?
2nd Floor Map of the Dana Park Village Square Complex | Village Square at Dana Park, Shopping Center | Mesa, Arizona

NW Corner of Baseline Road & Val Vista Drive, Mesa, Arizona

I'd also remind folks that Amazon carries a lot of this stuff. Might be cheaper (and certainly easier) to order from them, especially if you have Prime.
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