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Old 04-25-2019, 10:10 PM
 
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Most of the Phoenix economy is unchanged since 2001, the biggest sector is still construction with tech at under half the size of construction. Construction, retail, and manufacturing are a third of the Phoenix job market for males. Construction and tech don't show up for the female numbers where healthcare and retail make up a third for them. Tech is barely a blip, the metro is a service and construction/real estate based economy and that won't change anytime soon.

Phoenix has a crime and unemployment problem, similar to Tempe and Mesa. The unemployment rate for the City of Phoenix is above the national average, around 5%. The crime rate is also quite a bit higher too, even the Maryvale area has a lower crime rate than downtown. For comparison Scottsdale, Peoria, Chandler have unemployment rates around 3.5% and crime rates around half of Phoenix. Even Surprise, a city with a very high unemployment rate, has a much lower crime rate than Phoenix, Tempe, and Mesa.
Not even a little bit true. A lot has changed in the last 18 years.

This city is barely recognizable from the 90s. Since 2001? Significant differences. Not all good, but frankly, this is the best it’s been here in a long time.

 
Old 04-25-2019, 10:18 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Not even a little bit true. A lot has changed in the last 18 years.

This city is barely recognizable from the 90s. Since 2001? Significant differences. Not all good, but frankly, this is the best it’s been here in a long time.
Exactly, and funny how they say Maryvale is safer than Downtown lolz. I live Downtown and wouldn't be caught dead living in Maryvale, which is like the East LA/South Central of this city, and unlike South Phoenix, it's not gentrifying either
 
Old 04-25-2019, 10:22 PM
 
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Nothing hits taxpayers harder than Pentagon spending. The main reason European countries are able to provide affordable medical care and higher education for their citizens is because they don't spend ridiculous amounts of money on their military, while we do. Remember the so-called "Peace Dividend" we were supposed to realize at the end of the Cold War? It all disappeared in the aftermath of 9-11, and no one even questions the obscene amount of money allocated every year to the Pentagon, which doesn't even bother to account for the trillions of dollars flowing through its coffers.

That's true, they can get away with it because they rely on the US for their defense through NATO. Canada is the worst freerider, Alaska to the north west, lower 48 south, Greenland US bases to the east = no need for a normal sized and capable military. Canada's military is equivalent to Taiwan's.

US taxpayers subsidize NATO welfare states (CATO Institute)
 
Old 04-25-2019, 11:14 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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That's true, they can get away with it because they rely on the US for their defense through NATO. Canada is the worst freerider, Alaska to the north west, lower 48 south, Greenland US bases to the east = no need for a normal sized and capable military. Canada's military is equivalent to Taiwan's.

US taxpayers subsidize NATO welfare states (CATO Institute)
If you think that our military is "normal sized", I have a bridge to sell you. We only make up 5% of the world's population, yet do 50% of it's military spending! Our military is grossly too big
 
Old 04-25-2019, 11:15 PM
 
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Interesting answers to what's changed, thanks.
 
Old 04-25-2019, 11:38 PM
 
Location: Prescott Valley, AZ
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Millennials were born between 1983-2000ish. McCain was first elected in 1982. Something is not adding up with your idea that millennials were responsible for John McCain being elected.
based on Pew Research, Millennials were born between 1981-1996. 1997-2015? is Gen Z.

https://www.pewresearch.org/topics/millennials/
 
Old 04-26-2019, 12:34 AM
 
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A few years ago the only party losing more registered voters than the GOP was Democrats. Donations to the GOP being down aren't necessarily telling of support. Especially when the donations to other parties aren't used as a comparison.

Funny how the OP just dropped this little grenade here with no source and never added any info. For all anyone knows the reason, if in fact true, could be that parties aren't pushing too hard yet. Or maybe GOP old timers are scared to death of Ward. Or donors are thinking heck, let the national party do the heavy lifting.
 
Old 04-26-2019, 12:50 AM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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based on Pew Research, Millennials were born between 1981-1996. 1997-2015? is Gen Z.

https://www.pewresearch.org/topics/millennials/
There's different schools of thought on the Gen X/Millenial cutoff, to the point where a transitional group "X-ennial" has been coined, usually people born between 80 and 82 are in this group. The people who stretch Gen X out to 82 (I agree with them) is that people born in 82 were adults by the time 9/11 happened. And I've seen 83-00 for millennials and 01 as the start of Gen Z, people born the year of 9/11 or later
 
Old 04-26-2019, 12:52 AM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Funny how the OP just dropped this little grenade here with no source and never added any info. For all anyone knows the reason, if in fact true, could be that parties aren't pushing too hard yet. Or maybe GOP old timers are scared to death of Ward. Or donors are thinking heck, let the national party do the heavy lifting.
Kelli Ward is nuttier than a Pay Day, so any sane person should be leary of her
 
Old 04-26-2019, 01:47 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ area
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Exactly, and funny how they say Maryvale is safer than Downtown lolz. I live Downtown and wouldn't be caught dead living in Maryvale, which is like the East LA/South Central of this city, and unlike South Phoenix, it's not gentrifying either
Sorry, downtown is SLIGHTLY safer than Maryvale, congratulations! Downtown Phoenix is a **** hole and it has been for decades. I grew up down there and we moved far north to escape the high crime at the end of the 7th grade (summer '99) after our 3rd break in in 5 years except that time they shot and killed our dog and still had enough time to take everything of value in the middle of the day. Other than the light rail, not much has really changed. The city center is dead outside of the 9-5 business hours, ignoring all the people leaving to go home, and crime is MUCH higher than the suburbs and significantly higher than national averages. Hell downtown Phoenix is much higher than Phoenix as a whole.

https://imgur.com/a/pJaXpiQ

Phoenix:
Phoenix violent crime is 37.5. (The US average is 22.7)
Phoenix property crime is 52.8. (The US average is 35.4)

Downtown:
Phoenix (zip 85003) violent crime is 55.6. (The US average is 22.7)
Phoenix (zip 85003) property crime is 67.6. (The US average is 35.4)

Phoenix (zip 85004) violent crime is 61.4. (The US average is 22.7)
Phoenix (zip 85004) property crime is 70.4. (The US average is 35.4)

Maryvale:
Phoenix (zip 85033) violent crime is 64.7. (The US average is 22.7)
Phoenix (zip 85033) property crime is 72.4. (The US average is 35.4)

Phoenix (zip 85031) violent crime is 70.3. (The US average is 22.7)
Phoenix (zip 85031) property crime is 76.9. (The US average is 35.4)

Phoenix (zip 85035) violent crime is 70.1. (The US average is 22.7)
Phoenix (zip 85035) property crime is 76.7. (The US average is 35.4)

Surrounding Cities:
Scottsdale violent crime is 11.0. (The US average is 22.7)
Scottsdale property crime is 35.1. (The US average is 35.4)

Tempe violent crime is 26.2. (The US average is 22.7)
Tempe property crime is 62.7. (The US average is 35.4)

Mesa violent crime is 19.3. (The US average is 22.7)
Mesa property crime is 37.6. (The US average is 35.4)

Chandler violent crime is 13.2. (The US average is 22.7)
Chandler property crime is 34.1. (The US average is 35.4)

Glendale violent crime is 27.3. (The US average is 22.7)
Glendale property crime is 72.5. (The US average is 35.4)

Peoria violent crime is 16.0. (The US average is 22.7)
Peoria property crime is 32.0. (The US average is 35.4)

Surprise violent crime is 8.0. (The US average is 22.7)
Surprise property crime is 27.6. (The US average is 35.4)

Lets go ahead and ignore the crime; the schools are some of the worst in the state, Central HS is a 3 on greatschools. Below is the job stats for Phoenix, IT is at 2% which is below the national average. All income metrics are below the national average, except per cap and family median in 85003 (look at that public admin %), and construction is still above the national average. The only time construction jobs in Phoenix change is when you look down into the specific zip codes where you see construction go down and "public admin" goes WAY up, and even then IT jobs are barely higher than national averages. What you are seeing isn't downtown Phoenix attracting people/businesses (or even improving). What has been happening, for decades now, is families (especially with kids) are escaping the hellscape that is downtown seeking better... everything really, to raise their kids. Real improvements all around!...

https://imgur.com/a/EDY9HpY
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