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Old 02-24-2020, 07:35 PM
 
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To become Dubai, you need more wealth. And to acquire more wealth, you need better paying jobs and more companies. And to acquire those things is multifactorial. The political climate needs to be more welcoming to foreigners and foreign investment. The airport needs a major international terminal. The community needs to support major projects like Southbridge 2 and light rail expansion. The idea that there was major opposition to these projects should not have even been an issue. The tax structure should improve. There are areas they can reduce taxes and areas they can increase them. The conservative political rhetoric needs to decrease.
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Old 02-24-2020, 07:57 PM
 
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Exploitation of foreign labor is debatable. Sure, there maybe some violations but the fact is, they earn much more in Dubai than in their home country. It's still a win-win situation, these workers are paying taxes to the city. In Phoenix, we having illegal immigrants who gets their income but don't pay taxes.

Yes, oil is significant in fueling Dubai economy but then again, Phoenix metro has twice as much wealth than
Dubai. So, snowbirds turned out to be a better investment than oil?
It isn't debatable. They exploit workers from southeast Asia primarily India. It is indentured servitude. They attract foreign laborers, and place them in labor camps. They have no minimum wage laws and are not required to pay their workers fair wages. This is why they employ people from southeast Asia as they have no resources or power to fight back. The labor camps have unsanitary living conditions. They sleep in confined quarters that resemble military style bunks with no air conditioning. They are infested with mice, rats and bugs. They usually do not have separate bathrooms from bathing areas. They often do not get enough food to eat. These camps are deliberately placed far from the city so that it isn't visible to people residing there. If workers wish to go home, they are not allowed. The companies who employ them retain their passport. And in many occasions, workers who die on the job are sent back to their native country in a casket, literally. Qatar employs this practice as well. Real Sports on HBO, 60 Minutes and Vice News all had segments on this.
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Old 02-24-2020, 09:23 PM
 
Location: East Central Phoenix
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Does Phoenix want to become a like Dubai or LA at all?

I quite enjoy Phoenix the way it is and that it's not swarming with everything all the time like LA is. You can actually drive around in Phoenix instead of spending 2 hours every afternoon on a parking lot.
Also, the housing is cheap and the trails and parks aren't crowded.
We don't have to be like either city, but Phoenix certainly deserves more recognition on a national & global scale, like the nation's 5th largest city should have. I say look at Dubai as an influence to develop industry, attractions, and generally more spark & international flair. Doesn't mean we have to copy them. As far as L.A., we should learn from their mistakes so that we don't become their clone.

Also, if you think housing is cheap, you apparently haven't paid much attention to the market lately. It's less expensive and more affordable than L.A., but that doesn't mean it's cheap. Quite frankly, I prefer a steady but sizeable increase in real estate prices. Cheap prices tend to attract cheap people, and that's definitely something we don't need more of here.
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Old 02-24-2020, 10:21 PM
 
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It isn't debatable. They exploit workers from southeast Asia primarily India. It is indentured servitude. They attract foreign laborers, and place them in labor camps. They have no minimum wage laws and are not required to pay their workers fair wages. This is why they employ people from southeast Asia as they have no resources or power to fight back. The labor camps have unsanitary living conditions. They sleep in confined quarters that resemble military style bunks with no air conditioning. They are infested with mice, rats and bugs. They usually do not have separate bathrooms from bathing areas. They often do not get enough food to eat. These camps are deliberately placed far from the city so that it isn't visible to people residing there. If workers wish to go home, they are not allowed. The companies who employ them retain their passport. And in many occasions, workers who die on the job are sent back to their native country in a casket, literally. Qatar employs this practice as well. Real Sports on HBO, 60 Minutes and Vice News all had segments on this.
Meah, potato/potato. OP says it's win-win.
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Old 02-24-2020, 10:23 PM
 
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No....Phoenix can be Phoenix
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Old 02-24-2020, 10:31 PM
 
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Phoenix isn't the nation's 5th largest city because virus are more than the boundary that carries the areas name

The area is growing, bit neither AZ or the Phoenix metro are in the top 10 in population

Need some indentured win/win for sure .... So much win
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Old 02-24-2020, 10:44 PM
 
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Nobody walking outside in Dubai.
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Old 02-24-2020, 11:37 PM
 
Location: East Central Phoenix
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Nobody walking outside in Dubai.
Not in the summer where temps easily exceed 115 regularly. Phoenix can reach those levels from time to time as well ... so therefore, neither city is very outdoor friendly from about June through September. But I would take a wild guess that the inability to walk outside during the hot season can be offset easier in Dubai by things like their indoor ski resort, aquarium & underwater zoo, Burj Khalifa observation tower, or even a trip to one of the many beaches. Phoenix does have better access to high country getaways to escape the heat.
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Old 02-25-2020, 12:00 AM
 
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To become Dubai, you need more wealth. And to acquire more wealth, you need better paying jobs and more companies. And to acquire those things is multifactorial. The political climate needs to be more welcoming to foreigners and foreign investment. The airport needs a major international terminal. The community needs to support major projects like Southbridge 2 and light rail expansion. The idea that there was major opposition to these projects should not have even been an issue. The tax structure should improve. There are areas they can reduce taxes and areas they can increase them. The conservative political rhetoric needs to decrease.
Yes, lots of liberals making Dubai superior to Phoenix...but they aren't in Dubai.
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Old 02-25-2020, 12:36 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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I've spent plenty of time in both Dubai and Phoenix and I prefer Phoenix primarily because you can still be jailed over random reasons in Dubai primarily if one does anything to offend the dominant religion in Dubai or some key leaders there. Things I do enjoy about Dubai are the best airport and airline (Emirates) I've experienced and I'm a very well travelled Tall Traveler as well as excellent food and lots of fantastic buildings and hotels. The diversity in Dubai is also quite impressive.

I prefer the Phoenix vibe over Dubai vibe and Phoenix also has a better overall climate not to mention Phoenix is less expensive overall primarily when it comes to housing and alcohol.
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