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Old 02-27-2020, 05:50 PM
 
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I've been to Dubai on 70+ occasions... I enjoy visiting, but I sure hope Phoenix does not turn into anything like Dubai!
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Old 02-27-2020, 09:24 PM
 
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I'd rather live in a place where I have freedom and don't need to see useless towers built off of slave labor. Dubai can stay where it is. Phoenix has problems, and I'll be the first one to mention them to many of the other poster's chagrin here, but there is no way in hell I'd want Phoenix to be more like Dubai.
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Old 02-27-2020, 11:34 PM
 
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I wouldn't exactly say that there is NO body of water in the Phoenix metro.....
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Old 02-28-2020, 06:41 AM
 
Location: Gilbert, AZ
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I wouldn't exactly say that there is NO body of water in the Phoenix metro.....
Tempe Town Lake? Is that what you're seriously referring to?
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Old 02-28-2020, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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It isn't debatable. They exploit workers from southeast Asia primarily India. It is indentured servitude. They attract foreign laborers, and place them in labor camps. They have no minimum wage laws and are not required to pay their workers fair wages. This is why they employ people from southeast Asia as they have no resources or power to fight back. The labor camps have unsanitary living conditions. They sleep in confined quarters that resemble military style bunks with no air conditioning. They are infested with mice, rats and bugs. They usually do not have separate bathrooms from bathing areas. They often do not get enough food to eat. These camps are deliberately placed far from the city so that it isn't visible to people residing there. If workers wish to go home, they are not allowed. The companies who employ them retain their passport. And in many occasions, workers who die on the job are sent back to their native country in a casket, literally. Qatar employs this practice as well. Real Sports on HBO, 60 Minutes and Vice News all had segments on this.
Learn your geography, these laborers are from South Asia not Southeast Asia, totally different regions.

Again, this is debatable. Sure, they are placed in a labor camps but these camps are decent. I've never been to Dubai but I used to live in Singapore and like Dubai, Singapore import their hard labor workers from South Asia e.g. India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. This is an example of Singapore's labor camp:
https://image.made-in-china.com/202f...-Singapore.jpg

Ofcourse by western standards, these labor camps are never considered decent. Construction workers in the US lives in a detached single family home, drive atleast 2 cars, watching sports game in his 75-inch TV with loads of beer stocks on his fridge.

But come to think of it, South Asian countries are known for having high poverty rate. That a labor camp in Dubai is even more comfortable than their own home in their home country where there is no proper sewage let alone stable internet access. Not to mention, they earn 3-4x their salary. They help the economy of their home country through remittances that increases the consumer spending. Hence, I call it win-win. There are political issues, I get it, but that's entirely a different topic.

Isn't that what we always tell to the poor? To get their a## off to work, that they shouldn't be picky? That's what countries like UAE and Singapore do, they give opportunities to less fortunate people.

I do get the point why people prefer Phoenix the way it is. But don't judge Dubai by accusing them of slavery because they are not working against their will. Infact, job agencies are always packed by tens of thousands of South Asians wanting to work in Dubai. But i'm sure there are isolated cases of exploitation.
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Old 02-28-2020, 05:04 PM
 
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If you are unallowed to leave aren't you being kept against your will?!

This isn't complicated
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Old 02-28-2020, 11:35 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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It can be and I think it will evolve into that type of city but it's going to take a major shift in attitude by locals. A sizable portion of the population still prefers to keep Phoenix small. They perceive development as a threat to their quality of life. You see this tug of war between progressives who seek growth and conservatives who wish to maintain the status quo. I'm torn. I don't miss smog and traffic of Los Angeles but I also miss having a major international airport and higher paying corporate jobs that larger cities possess. You can see the city evolving and adopting the more progressive mindset but it's going to take some time before the city is really galvanized and buys completely into that vision.

For me an example of this is Terminal 2 being torn down. In another city, they would not be content with allowing a former terminal to turn into a glorified bus stop. They would tear it down and rebuild it or make something else of that space. In Phoenix, they were content with removing it and allowing Terminal 3 to absorb the other airlines. That is a very a much an Arizona/Phoenix like approach to resolving a problem. You would not see that in another large metropolitan city. They would remove the terminal in lieu of a more modern terminal
Before passing judgment, perhaps you should read the Sky Harbor CAMP report from September of last year that specifically addresses among other things (cargo, Air National Guard needs), the short and long-term development plans for the airport. If you skip to pg. 32, you will see the preferred terminal concept that includes a proposed new West Terminal, proposed new Terminal 3 North Concourse 2 and Terminal 3-Terminal 4 Connector, and new Concourse S1 and International Concourse at Terminal 4 (to replace N3 and N4). Those take time and money to build.

https://www.skyharbor.com/docs/defau...rsn=73516889_4
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Old 03-01-2020, 04:02 PM
 
Location: East Central Phoenix
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Before passing judgment, perhaps you should read the Sky Harbor CAMP report from September of last year that specifically addresses among other things (cargo, Air National Guard needs), the short and long-term development plans for the airport. If you skip to pg. 32, you will see the preferred terminal concept that includes a proposed new West Terminal, proposed new Terminal 3 North Concourse 2 and Terminal 3-Terminal 4 Connector, and new Concourse S1 and International Concourse at Terminal 4 (to replace N3 and N4). Those take time and money to build.

https://www.skyharbor.com/docs/defau...rsn=73516889_4
Yes, but that poster does have a valid point. Many other cities that are Phoenix's size wouldn't turn an airport terminal into just a bus stop for the near future. This reflects an issue with the way Phoenix tends to do things: vacate and/or tear down older structures and leave them empty for a long time before anything more noteworthy is built on the sites. Between now and then, we're faced with scars of vacant lots or dilapidated buildings which tend to become blighted, and nearby property values can be negatively affected as well. This is true with anything, not just the T2 site.
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Old 03-02-2020, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Yes, but that poster does have a valid point. Many other cities that are Phoenix's size wouldn't turn an airport terminal into just a bus stop for the near future. This reflects an issue with the way Phoenix tends to do things: vacate and/or tear down older structures and leave them empty for a long time before anything more noteworthy is built on the sites. Between now and then, we're faced with scars of vacant lots or dilapidated buildings which tend to become blighted, and nearby property values can be negatively affected as well. This is true with anything, not just the T2 site.
It's a lousy point. Seattle and SLC currently use bus gates. Furthermore and as someone else had previously mentioned in a different thread, the upkeep for T2 was costing taxpayers money to maintain a functionally obsolete terminal. T2 was originally expected to operate until 2000 and here we are now in 2020. That money can and should be used to fund the expansion of the airport. It's not as if the airport has been sitting on it's thumbs. It has been continuously making improvements which again, costs time and money.
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