Phoenix and all other Valley cities need to reopen ASAP! (ski resorts, theater)

[Bondurant]

I am more worried about shutdown ramifications than COVID-19. When will the madness end? What's going to happen if there's another out break next winter/spring? Are we going to shutdown and plunge further into economic ruin? Sweden is taking a different road and it may not be the doom and gloom that Ye Olde Media wants you to believe.

https://reason.com/2020/04/17/in-swe...-the-long-run/

[Valley Native]

Originally Posted by DetroitN8V

You’re just giving more examples of what you see as government overreach and haven’t answered the question of why. You’re afraid that the government is using this to take more freedom away from the masses. Why? What exactly is it that you’re afraid of? Why can’t you just accept that public health is the driver rather than weaving this into some government-driven ploy?

Protecting public health is necessary to a certain extent, but this was an example of the government going too far. You have to look at the numbers: less than 1% affliction rate, but 10 to 15% unemployment rate, and 40% of small businesses closing down. In addition to this, it appears that even though the COVID 19 numbers keep increasing (even after social distancing), the confirmed cases still amount to under 1% of the population.

Yes, I'm afraid of the government taking too much control over personal lives when it is the government that should be working for us ... not against us. Yes, I'm afraid that the economy is not going to rebound if we keep on with these crazy restrictions. And yes, I'm afraid of America heading toward socialism & third world status if we continue this way. If that makes me a conspiracy theorist in your mind, well that's your opinion.

[asufan]

Originally Posted by Bondurant

Legalize both and "tax the hell" out of neither.

Sounds even better but the only way to get the slow people to approve it is with a huge tax. Not sure how a sports betting tax would work, maybe a % of the vig? I assume Nevada gets a cut of the juice when you pay 10% or whatever at the sports books.

[Elna Rae]

Same ol', same ol'. Yawn...


Pretty easy to see splits here.
Big gov v. small gov. Libs v. conservatives.

Agendas and bias will move accordingly.

If someone here really believes they're Switzerland, they're delusional or... they're delusional.


Rooting for Sweden to win the Covid Bowl.

[DetroitN8V]

Originally Posted by Elna Rae

Same ol', same ol'. Yawn...


Pretty easy to see splits here.
Big gov v. small gov. Libs v. conservatives.

Agendas and bias will move accordingly.

If someone here really believes they're Switzerland, they're delusional or... they're delusional.

Rooting for Sweden to win the Covid Bowl.

I see it as paranoid versus rational (you may too although likely in reverse). I don’t think this issue is as politically polarizing as you’d like it to be. I know conservatives that would rather err on the cautious side of public health and at least one never-Trump guy back in MI that’s losing his mind over their restrictions.

[asufan]

Originally Posted by Elna Rae

Same ol', same ol'. Yawn...


Pretty easy to see splits here.
Big gov v. small gov. Libs v. conservatives.

Agendas and bias will move accordingly.

If someone here really believes they're Switzerland, they're delusional or... they're delusional.


Rooting for Sweden to win the Covid Bowl.

I don't see it as a political issue at all. I am as "anti-politics" as it gets and despise both sides.

[Elna Rae]

Originally Posted by DetroitN8V

I see it as paranoid versus rational (you may too although likely in reverse). I don’t think this issue is as politically polarizing as you’d like it to be. I know conservatives that would rather err on the cautious side of public health and at least one never-Trump guy back in MI that’s losing his mind over their restrictions.

Of course you do.
And yes, I view it in reverse.

I don't want it to be politically polarizing.
It just is.

One cannot possibly have an opinion on this craziness without filtering it through their own politics or worldview. We ALL have biases. Pure neutrality doesn't exist.

[DetroitN8V]

Originally Posted by Elna Rae

Of course you do.
And yes, I view it in reverse.

I don't want it to be politically polarizing.
It just is.

One cannot possibly have an opinion on this craziness without filtering it through their own politics or worldview. We ALL have biases. Pure neutrality doesn't exist.

No, no one is neutral but there are some that at least try to look through a lens that doesn’t involve paranoia or conspiracy.

The big government vs. little government is another fallacy. Only true libertarians are proponents of a lack of government intrusion. See social services, healthcare, gay marriage and abortion for proof.

[Valley Native]

Originally Posted by DetroitN8V

I see it as paranoid versus rational (you may too although likely in reverse). I don’t think this issue is as politically polarizing as you’d like it to be. I know conservatives that would rather err on the cautious side of public health and at least one never-Trump guy back in MI that’s losing his mind over their restrictions.

Paranoid: shutting down businesses, restricting travel, forcing everybody to stay away from one another even if they're not sick, hoarding items from supermarkets & big box stores, staying cooped up inside & afraid of the world, masking up with face condoms when going outside, running up $2 trillion in more national debt, etc.

Rational: allowing businesses to stay fully open but be cautious, paychecks instead of stimulus checks, mandating SOME social distancing but not to the point of being afraid of everybody, staying home when you're sick, covering your mouth when sneezing or coughing, avoiding smoking, excessive drinking, or excessive junk food, using basic common sense instead of letting the government lead us by the hand or rule our lives.

[asufan]

Originally Posted by Valley Native

Paranoid: shutting down businesses, restricting travel, forcing everybody to stay away from one another even if they're not sick, hoarding items from supermarkets & big box stores, staying cooped up inside & afraid of the world, masking up with face condoms when going outside, running up $2 trillion in more national debt, etc.

Rational: allowing businesses to stay fully open but be cautious, paychecks instead of stimulus checks, mandating SOME social distancing but not to the point of being afraid of everybody, staying home when you're sick, covering your mouth when sneezing or coughing, avoiding smoking, excessive drinking, or excessive junk food, using basic common sense instead of letting the government lead us by the hand or rule our lives.

So, to be clear, you're advocating outlawing alcohol, tobacco, "junk" food and telling people to social distance but not to act scared about it? How are you enforcing the covering your mouth when you sneeze and cough? Tickets or jail?