Phoenix and all other Valley cities need to reopen ASAP! (Maricopa: hotels, attorney)

[Elna Rae]

Originally Posted by DetroitN8V

No, no one is neutral but there are some that at least try to look through a lens that doesn’t involve paranoia or conspiracy.

The big government vs. little government is another fallacy. Only true libertarians are proponents of a lack of government intrusion. See social services, healthcare, gay marriage and abortion for proof.

I agree, not a fan of paranoia and conspiracy but big gov v. small gov is not a fallacy. That's obvious.

Many of us are Jack-Libertarians. We fudge.
But in our dreams we want to be full pedigree.

[DetroitN8V]

Originally Posted by Elna Rae

I agree, not a fan of paranoia and conspiracy but big gov v. small gov is not a fallacy. That's obvious.

Many of us are Jack-Libertarians. We fudge.
But in our dreams we want to be full pedigree.

Too much worry about what others do when it comes to social issues for small government to ever be a platform of the (religious) right.

[Valley Native]

Originally Posted by asufan

So, to be clear, you're advocating outlawing alcohol, tobacco, "junk" food and telling people to social distance but not to act scared about it? How are you enforcing the covering your mouth when you sneeze and cough? Tickets or jail?

The hell I am. Common sense should be the rule of the land, and if somebody is a smoker, a drunk, or a fat slob, then let the chips fall where they may. No government body should outlaw any of these "vices", but the government shouldn't be wasting time trying to save everybody from themselves either. If I see or hear somebody sneezing or coughing out loud, I'm mandating my own social distance. It's everybody for themselves and survival of the fittest. Fact of life.

[Elna Rae]

Originally Posted by DetroitN8V

Too much worry about what others do when it comes to social issues for small government to ever be a platform of the (religious) right.

Isn't "what others are doing" the flash point for the isolation alarmists and extremists?

[asufan]

Originally Posted by Valley Native

The hell I am. Common sense should be the rule of the land, and if somebody is a smoker, a drunk, or a fat slob, then let the chips fall where they may. No government body should outlaw any of these "vices", but the government shouldn't be wasting time trying to save everybody from themselves either. If I see or hear somebody sneezing or coughing out loud, I'm mandating my own social distance. It's everybody for themselves and survival of the fittest. Fact of life.

So the government should say "use your common sense" and leave it at that? Got it.

[Elna Rae]

Originally Posted by Valley Native

It's everybody for themselves and survival of the fittest.

Right now it's survival of the fattest.

Chickens are coming home to roost.

[Bondurant]

Originally Posted by asufan

Sounds even better but the only way to get the slow people to approve it is with a huge tax. Not sure how a sports betting tax would work, maybe a % of the vig? I assume Nevada gets a cut of the juice when you pay 10% or whatever at the sports books.

Both face special interest hurdles. Prohibition is backed by law enforcement, prison industry, tobacco and the medical marijuana industry. McCain was in against sports gambling in a big way. You'd think sports betting was worse than communism when it came to his crusade. Tribal gaming does not want it either because they fear competition from online daily sports betting. You'd think they'd want a piece of that pie.

As for COVID-19...I have purchased a mask, a Dracula Gottfried mask. Proceeds go to MedShare. If only he made a Dice Gottried mask too. Hickory, dickory, dock...OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

https://gilbertgottfried.threadless....ries/face-mask

[DetroitN8V]

Originally Posted by Elna Rae

Isn't "what others are doing" the flash point for the isolation alarmists and extremists?

I never argued that that is a small government approach.

[MN-Born-n-Raised]

Originally Posted by Bondurant

I am more worried about shutdown ramifications than COVID-19. When will the madness end? What's going to happen if there's another out break next winter/spring? Are we going to shutdown and plunge further into economic ruin? Sweden is taking a different road and it may not be the doom and gloom that Ye Olde Media wants you to believe.

https://reason.com/2020/04/17/in-swe...-the-long-run/

In the spirit of full disclosure: "It’s a myth that Sweden is doing nothing about the virus. Most Swedes have changed their habits a lot. Schools for older kids are closed, as are universities. People are working from home, when they can, and the elderly are being urged to keep to themselves. Gatherings of over 50 people are prohibited, and ski resorts are closed. Restaurants and bars are allowing table service only, and grocery stores are installing glass dividers between customers and cashiers. People who go to Stockholm may be stunned to see bars and cafés with customers, but they’re seeing only the Swedes who choose to run higher risks. They’re not seeing all the Swedes who are staying home." See https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020...eden-is-trying

Yes, Sweeden is taking a different approach and is arguably more balanced. I've visited multiple parts of Sweeden (their culture kicks-arse IMHO). My non-scientific observation is there are much healthier as compared to chubby Americans. Their diet was a hell of a lot healthier (lots of seafood) and they bike a ton (People: 9,500,000 Bicycles: 6,000,000 Cyclists: ~64%) versus the (USA 360,000,000 and 47,000,000 million bikes ~13%).

Nonetheless, like you, I'm paying attention to what happens along with my fat-free bag of popcorn in hand.

[thinkalot]

I want to open but I don't think it's time yet. I say look at the numbers on May 1.

If May 1 looks ok I say start with restaurants at 25% of capacity, all retail open, and offices back to normal or the new normal with work at home seeming to be popular. Will still be too soon for theaters, arenas, and stadiums. Up in the air with fitness centers. Maybe half capacity? Hair and nails can wait and see. Maybe June for them.