Phoenix and all other Valley cities need to reopen ASAP! (apartment, rental)

[Sibay]

Originally Posted by Valley Native

Rational: allowing businesses to stay fully open but be cautious, paychecks instead of stimulus checks, mandating SOME social distancing but not to the point of being afraid of everybody,

What would be your game plan for reopening the businesses that were shut down? What guidelines would you put in place for restaurants, bars, hotels, casino's (seeing how you mentioned Las Vegas) etc. What safety protocols would you put in place for employees?

How would you go about telling your employees they have to go back to work tomorrow when you just told them yesterday it was too dangerous...and nothing has changed since yesterday?

[Valley Native]

Originally Posted by Sibay

What would be your game plan for reopening the businesses that were shut down? What guidelines would you put in place for restaurants, bars, hotels, casino's (seeing how you mentioned Las Vegas) etc. What safety protocols would you put in place for employees?

How would you go about telling your employees they have to go back to work tomorrow when you just told them yesterday it was too dangerous...and nothing has changed since yesterday?

First, I'd like to see proof that social distancing is actually working, especially when hearing the most recent numbers that confirmed COVID 19 cases are still on the rise in Maricopa County long after the mitigation went into effect. I mentioned Las Vegas as an example because their Mayor rightfully believes these restrictions have gone way too far and have solved very little. Seriously, what have all these mitigation efforts really solved as far as getting rid of the virus ... other than causing everybody to be afraid of their own shadows (and each other), forcing people out of work, the economy to suffer, and everybody's freedoms taking a back seat in the name of protecting the public?

[john3232]

Originally Posted by Sibay

What would be your game plan for reopening the businesses that were shut down? What guidelines would you put in place for restaurants, bars, hotels, casino's (seeing how you mentioned Las Vegas) etc. What safety protocols would you put in place for employees?

How would you go about telling your employees they have to go back to work tomorrow when you just told them yesterday it was too dangerous...and nothing has changed since yesterday?

I wouldn't tell them anything other than we're opening on May 1st.

Is it taking a chance reopening? Perhaps but if staying closed meant losing a business I spent years building I would be willing to take the chance.

Now suppose an employee isn't willing to come back just yet? I'd speak with an attorney on how to handle the request.

But I would want my business up and running no later than May 1st.

[Finper]

Republican governors are more willing to open their states so I see Arizona start lifting restrictions pretty quickly. Ca is screwed. This virus is politically and media driven.... that’s just the truth.

[DetroitN8V]

Originally Posted by Finper

Republican governors are more willing to open their states so I see Arizona start lifting restrictions pretty quickly. Ca is screwed. This virus is politically and media driven.... that’s just the truth.

Remove the tin foil hat and take a deep breath. There is no conspiracy here. Public health is a moving target and isn't black and white. Different approaches are trying to achieve the same goal of protecting the public.

[john3232]

Originally Posted by Finper

Republican governors are more willing to open their states so I see Arizona start lifting restrictions pretty quickly. Ca is screwed. This virus is politically and media driven.... that’s just the truth.

I certainly hope so.

[Valley Native]

Originally Posted by DetroitN8V

Remove the tin foil hat and take a deep breath. There is no conspiracy here. Public health is a moving target and isn't black and white. Different approaches are trying to achieve the same goal of protecting the public.

You accuse certain people of adhering to conspiracy theories, and then you say there is no conspiracy. Seems like you're doing a lot of double talk lately. As far as protecting the public, why stop with COVID 19? Many more people are afflicted with (and die of) cancer, so let's shut down the world and issue stimulus checks to every cancer victim. Let's ban tobacco, pesticides, aerosol sprays, and anything else known to cause cancer. Many more people are injured (and die) from vehicle accidents, so let's just ban all cars & trucks from the roads ... or better yet, just get rid of all roads. Many more people drown in swimming pools, so let's protect the public by banning those too. How about all the stupid hikers that end up being disoriented or injured? Seems logical to shut down the preserve trails to protect the public if we're going to be restricting "non essential" activity. The list goes on.

[DetroitN8V]

Originally Posted by Valley Native

You accuse certain people of adhering to conspiracy theories, and then you say there is no conspiracy. Seems like you're doing a lot of double talk lately. As far as protecting the public, why stop with COVID 19? Many more people are afflicted with (and die of) cancer, so let's shut down the world and issue stimulus checks to every cancer victim. Let's ban tobacco, pesticides, aerosol sprays, and anything else known to cause cancer. Many more people are injured (and die) from vehicle accidents, so let's just ban all cars & trucks from the roads ... or better yet, just get rid of all roads. Many more people drown in swimming pools, so let's protect the public by banning those too. How about all the stupid hikers that end up being disoriented or injured? Seems logical to shut down the preserve trails to protect the public if we're going to be restricting "non essential" activity. The list goes on.

No double talk at all. My message is consistent. Those that have spun this into some “media driven” plan are simply unhinged and paranoid. There is not substance to their argument other than fear. They don’t understand this and rather than wrangling with data and facts, fear is easier for them to comprehend.

Cancer, hiking and pools are terribly laughable arguments. Do you realize that you’re trying to compre a highly contagious, relatively unknown virus to a disease that isn’t spread from person to person, and outdoor activities? I understand you’re seeking an angle, but that wasn’t at all thought out. The fact remains, public health is a balancing act. Given what we know about the virus, it’s highly contagious and all that we do not know about it, the advice is to err on the side of caution. If that saves lives, cool. That’s all this is. CNN isn’t trying to imprison the population or whatever else these wackos are all worked up about.

[Valley Native]

Originally Posted by DetroitN8V

No double talk at all. My message is consistent. Those that have spun this into some “media driven” plan are simply unhinged and paranoid. There is not substance to their argument other than fear. They don’t understand this and rather than wrangling with data and facts, fear is easier for them to comprehend.

There's an abundance of fear & paranoia coming from many sides, and ALL of it is irrational. The ones who claim that it's a media driven hoax are off their rockers, but I see just as much (if not more) hysteria coming from the "protect the public at all costs" crowd. In any case, it is double talk when you label certain people as conspiracy nuts, and then claim there is no conspiracy.

Originally Posted by DetroitN8V

Cancer, hiking and pools are terribly laughable arguments. Do you realize that you’re trying to compre a highly contagious, relatively unknown virus to a disease that isn’t spread from person to person, and outdoor activities? I understand you’re seeking an angle, but that wasn’t at all thought out. The fact remains, public health is a balancing act. Given what we know about the virus, it’s highly contagious and all that we do not know about it, the advice is to err on the side of caution. If that saves lives, cool. That’s all this is. CNN isn’t trying to imprison the population or whatever else these wackos are all worked up about.

First bolded point: "relatively unknown", and that's precisely what it is. Nobody knows very much about this virus, so the best way to go about this is proceed with caution, but not mandate dictatorship type of policies just because 1% of the population has contracted the virus. Next bolded point: "public health is a balancing act", and that's also true. But instead of balance, we're going to extremes by limiting travel, access to certain businesses, and causing a massive disruption to people's incomes & the overall economy.

My points are valid because if we're going to make a huge crisis out of a virus which is affecting a relatively small amount of the population, then why not make a bigger crisis out of other things which affect people's lives MUCH more than COVID 19? It all comes down to a choice between being overly protective and letting people live their lives & learn from their mistakes. I'm reminded of a famous quote by Ben Franklin which holds true to this day: "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

[DetroitN8V]

It’s not double talk at all. There is no conspiracy, hence the nuts are conspiracy THEORISTS. What do you seem to be missing there?