The average American is being priced out of the Phoenix metro market. (Chandler: apartment complexes, renter)

[MissMouse111]

Originally Posted by Burkmere

Ah, there you are again! I was wondering when you were going to show up complaining again despite making a whole bunch of "mistakes" I would call them with your life choices! All you've done the past few years is complain, complain, complain and yet here you are again. Cumulative bad choices add up. And high expectations don't help. Best wishes to you. There are zillions of open jobs now and workers can command higher wages! Go get yourself one or go get the education or training you need to get one!! Then you will earn more. Or get a roommate or two. Nothing is guaranteed! Ok, next complaint???

So the person in the projects making terrible life choices with six baby daddies and drug addicts smoking dope all day get to live in luxury rentals with no qualms from you? Correct me if I'm wrong, but attacking the middle class doesn't do anybody any good.

There is no shame in holding a middle of the road basic job with dignity and self respect. You make it sound like people who make "average" salaries don't deserve the finer things in life. Only the elite. So be it.

It's not "complaining" when millions of average Americans are facing the same situation. It's a crisis.

I look forward to seeing how you will survive when and if the government owns everything and you will own nothing and be happy about it.

I can just imagine all your energy spent on attacking averaage Americans while Big Brother is standing behind you with a grin on his face?

Best wishes to you. I hope you survive the reset better than the rest of us.

[MissMouse111]

Originally Posted by john3232

Supply and demand. A lot of people are moving here esp. from Cal. For individuals earning 70k or couples earning 120k a year the Phx metro is affordable.

The extreme summer months are a drawback but for me it's basically only June, July and August. On the other hand I do enjoy the mild winters. My wife likes the AZ weather.

What do you think of the market?


I think home price will level off sometime next year. However, I don't think prices will fall too far.

Renters? I think you're in a tough spot. I don't see rents falling.

As far as what I would do if I were 30 with few marketable skills: I would move to where I knew I could afford an apartment. Like I did in 1990 when I moved to Dallas for a couple of years. My sister lives there and I stayed with her for a week until I found my own apartment - $230 a month. Then I started working an office temp.

The average income of a Phoenix resident is $24,057 a year. The US average is $28,555 a year. - The Median household income of a Phoenix resident is $46,881 a year.

So basically the majority of people living in the metro area are priced out of the market and you're okay with that?

[KurtAZ]

What...VT deleting the last thread wasn't a hint enough?

Don't worry...the average salary will go up soon, at least the minimum will with the hike to $15/hr or $31,200/yr. Rents and home valuation are super crazy right now but it'll come down. Some of your statements have some undertones of conspiracy theories that have been floating around with everyone's boredom last year but...I sincerely doubt anything major is going to change in the near future.

[MissMouse111]

Originally Posted by KurtAZ

What...VT deleting the last thread wasn't a hint enough?

Oh, so deleting threads with whatever the "middle class" thinks makes a whole lot of sense, correct? Who wants to hear from middle America? *crickets chirping* Nobody.

[Prickly Pear]

Oh boy, this thread again. OP, I agree with your sentiment and your concerns. This forum is full of older people who think the modern American needs to do exactly what they did to make it. The problem is times change, nothing is constant, and what worked for them will not work today. They don't know that, because they don't care to listen to the plight of the youth, or it benefits them to ignore the problem. Also, because someone had to walk uphill to school both ways, your generation's children has to do that also? What happened to societal progression? Making problems go away instead of increasing their magnitude? Even podunk towns will have $500+ monthly rent for a one bedroom, and that's a place where only minimum wage jobs exist.



What I think will happen is housing costs will--eventually--level off nationally as people follow that outdated advice instead of doing what they should be doing. Which is collectivizing with their colleagues and demanding higher pay. Until people stop taking BS from their bosses and demand their pay rises to accomodate costs (which too many people won't do, either from corporate/political brainwashing or laziness or a combination) and then continuing that fight to their landlords refusing to pay higher rents, the problem will never be addressed. The powerful are winning, the only way for it to stop is to alter the battlefield.


Another thing I read more recently as well is that investors who normally would play the stock market or take higher return investments are choosing instead of homes because the other investments options are still too volatile after COVID. So that also needs to address. Make the housing market for homeowner occupants again, not corporate or mom-and-pop landlords.

[MissMouse111]

Originally Posted by Prickly Pear

Oh boy, this thread again. OP, I agree with your sentiment and your concerns. This forum is full of older people who think the modern American needs to do exactly what they did to make it. The problem is times change, nothing is constant, and what worked for them will not work today. They don't know that, because they don't care to listen to the plight of the youth, or it benefits them to ignore the problem. Also, because someone had to walk uphill to school both ways, your generation's children has to do that also? What happened to societal progression? Making problems go away instead of increasing their magnitude? Even podunk towns will have $500+ monthly rent for a one bedroom, and that's a place where only minimum wage jobs exist.



What I think will happen is housing costs will--eventually--level off nationally as people follow that outdated advice instead of doing what they should be doing. Which is collectivizing with their colleagues and demanding higher pay. Until people stop taking BS from their bosses and demand their pay rises to accomodate costs (which too many people won't do, either from corporate/political brainwashing or laziness or a combination) and then continuing that fight to their landlords refusing to pay higher rents, the problem will never be addressed. The powerful are winning, the only way for it to stop is to alter the battlefield.


Another thing I read more recently as well is that investors who normally would play the stock market or take higher return investments are choosing instead of homes because the other investments options are still too volatile after COVID. So that also needs to address. Make the housing market for homeowner occupants again, not corporate or mom-and-pop landlords.

I agree with you 100%. No qualms from me and I hope you're right. Thank you for sharing. I am much too afraid to ask for a raise in this current economy. I along with millions of others in middle America are doing our best to survive.

[ringler24]

Every few months you come into this forum and post the same thing over and over again. It's literally pointless. Also where are all of these poor people living in luxury rentals? My MIL has been on a waitlist for subsidized senior housing for almost 3 years. It's not a walk in the park if you're poor either.

[asufan]

Rentals are full in the Phoenix metro area. There's enough people here that make enough so that's that.

[KurtAZ]

btw MissMouse...$43k/yr is barely middle class (by some of the scales). 10...20 years ago that would have been fine if not more than enough in Phoenix...not so much anymore. Year over year inflation causes everything to become more expensive. Your job isn't going to give you a raise so you need to find alternate income streams. This has been talked to death but yes...

The Government is going to take away all personal property rights
The "Great Reset" is coming
The USA is going to shift to a completely Socialist/Marxist economic system without anyone lifting a finger.

We got it.

[DetroitN8V]

What is this "reset" that these people ramble on about? Yet another conspiracy theory for the gullible?