08-26-2021, 08:18 AM
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I completely agree, but it's all part of the warped mentality which caused the Coyotes to move to Glendale in the first place. In the early 2000s, people on the west side were whining that the sports & entertainment venues were confined to central Phoenix & the east Valley, and the west Valley was being left out. The Cards Stadium was originally planned to be built near the 202 & Priest in Tempe, which would have been a much more sensible location than where it is now. But for various reasons, the Tempe location was scrapped, and a deal was reached with Glendale to build Westgate. At that time, it was literally in the middle of nowhere (and still is considered too far away for many people).
It's not the distance as much as the traffic, IMO. It's far for me but I don't have an issue travelling to see a hockey game. What I do have an issue with is the nightmare that is a westbound drive during the evening commute. I think that is an issue for a lot of people as well, they just don't want to fool with it. For NFL games it's an issue as well, but considering there are far far fewer home Cardinals games in a season than Coyotes, NFL fans don't have to deal with it as much. I always wonder if the Coyotes would do better if they were more accessible and could fill the seats.
Saying all NHL fans are on the east side isn't really accurate, though. It's not all east vs west, there is a whole lot of people in the middle (remember Phoenix proper? it's not all about the suburbs) that are fans as well. Moving it to the east valley is going to alienate the opposite side of town's fans. Central is best, and the Tempe proposed site is as close as we are going to get even if it is leaning toward the east.
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08-26-2021, 11:25 PM
Location: The Disputed Lands
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It's not the distance as much as the traffic, IMO. It's far for me but I don't have an issue travelling to see a hockey game. What I do have an issue with is the nightmare that is a westbound drive during the evening commute. I think that is an issue for a lot of people as well, they just don't want to fool with it. For NFL games it's an issue as well, but considering there are far far fewer home Cardinals games in a season than Coyotes, NFL fans don't have to deal with it as much. I always wonder if the Coyotes would do better if they were more accessible and could fill the seats.
Most NFL games are on Sunday so rush hour traffic isn't a big issue, except for the occasional night game on Thursday or Monday. I'm a hockey fan, really all sports, and agree that a central location would be best, not Glendale. I wouldn't be surprised if the team moved to another city, though.
08-27-2021, 06:49 AM
Location: Sonoran Desert
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The coyotes know where their fans are from ticket sales. That they are asking Glendale to reconsider should tell us something about the fan base and the development patterns in the metro area. Or maybe they realize that no valley city is going to pay a nickel of taxpayer money to build an arena for a tier two sport and a lousy team. Who knows? They may end up staying there. Glendale though seems to have some bargaining power here and that is a big change from the fights of years past.
08-27-2021, 08:37 AM
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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The coyotes know where their fans are from ticket sales. That they are asking Glendale to reconsider should tell us something about the fan base and the development patterns in the metro area. Or maybe they realize that no valley city is going to pay a nickel of taxpayer money to build an arena for a tier two sport and a lousy team. Who knows? They may end up staying there. Glendale though seems to have some bargaining power here and that is a big change from the fights of years past.
Meruelo is in negotiations with Tempe right now.
08-27-2021, 10:18 AM
Location: East Central Phoenix
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The coyotes know where their fans are from ticket sales. That they are asking Glendale to reconsider should tell us something about the fan base and the development patterns in the metro area. Or maybe they realize that no valley city is going to pay a nickel of taxpayer money to build an arena for a tier two sport and a lousy team. Who knows? They may end up staying there. Glendale though seems to have some bargaining power here and that is a big change from the fights of years past.
Point being that the location was horrible to begin with. A major sports & entertainment venue needs existing infrastructure in place. Even after nearly 20 years, the availability of amenities around Westgate is still pretty limited, and the majority of the metro's population still resides in Phoenix and the east Valley. Many people find it very difficult to commute to the existing location. Why would somebody who lives in central Phoenix, Tempe, or Mesa want to spend time driving all the way over to a distant location when they could easily take the light rail to a downtown venue? Most sports & entertainment should be in a centralized location, and many of the posters here seem to agree.
08-27-2021, 04:34 PM
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It seems like a missed opportunity that when they refurbished the basketball arena recently, it wasn't made viable for hockey too. Tempe would be an improvement over the current location though.
08-27-2021, 04:44 PM
Location: Phoenix,AZ
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Reality check:
Comparing apples to hand grenades....maybe....
Folks in Michigan will drive 50 miles to see the Red Wings vs. whomever....
Pay top dollar for SRO even during the bad times.
The "Commute to the Hockey Game" bucket doesn't hold much water.
We shall not speak about the Lions' tenure in Pontiac. Shhh.
08-27-2021, 06:25 PM
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Reality check:
Comparing apples to hand grenades....maybe....
Folks in Michigan will drive 50 miles to see the Red Wings vs. whomever....
Pay top dollar for SRO even during the bad times.
The "Commute to the Hockey Game" bucket doesn't hold much water.
We shall not speak about the Lions' tenure in Pontiac. Shhh.
It holds water for Phoenix as it's true for more than just hockey but in actual time and distance the fans in other markets drive just as far if not further. I was 2 hours from Detroit and if I had tickets to sell they would be snapped up. I cannot give away my extras here which stinks.
08-28-2021, 05:54 AM
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I went to see a fight and a hockey game broke out...
08-28-2021, 09:04 AM
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To Coyotes defense...they tried to get a Salt River deal but it fell through many years ago.Yes...most NHL fans as myself are East Valley. The motivation of driving out to Glendale during work week to watch an inferior product has never been there.
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Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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