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Old 11-16-2021, 06:20 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Back to the thread. IMO, PHX has turned the corner with its former reputation as a low-tech and "affordable" place to live. It should be obvious that technology needs to be the key driver of our economy. It should also be mentioned that part of the shift is related to the better perception of K-12 funding. School referendums are passing especially on the East Valley. Frankly, that is where nearly all the tech jobs are located. And if you want to attract educated talent, you need to have pay attention to the perception of K-12. Currently, I believe that the East Valley K-12 perception is acceptable to continue attracting more tech firms.

IMO, the tech councils and commissions who are trying to attract these jobs are outperforming other areas of the country. As @Valley mentioned, look to Austin, TX as an example of who to mimic.

All I know is it's really changed over the past 10 years. We went from a down-and-out economy designed for retirement, vacations, and home building and pivoted in attracting better caliber jobs (which is also helped the housing market to $kyrocket). Spots like WA, OR, and CA suffocated businesses. So PHX and TX who are more moderate are benefitting. Don't forget to send out a Thank You note and Christmas card to the politicians of those progressive cities.
New tech will be gravitating to the north end of the 303 corridor and west where the Taiwan chip plant is being built and Bill Gates and the billionaires are planning their cities of the future.
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Old 11-16-2021, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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Yeah most tech jobs are manufacturing here not developers. Also saw that Mesa data center for Facebook will have like 100 employees despite being 960,000 square feet along Ellseworth lol
They say that...but they are adding in landscapers, electricians, etc. Piece work, not actual company employees. The new DC going in next to Cyrus One in Chandler says on their infographic that they will provide 576 new jobs. When asked how many employees they will have on prem the answer was 30. On average, a Data Center employs 20-35 full time folks that are ACTUALLY employed by that Data Center.
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Old 11-16-2021, 08:10 AM
 
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They say that...but they are adding in landscapers, electricians, etc. Piece work, not actual company employees. The new DC going in next to Cyrus One in Chandler says on their infographic that they will provide 576 new jobs. When asked how many employees they will have on prem the answer was 30. On average, a Data Center employs 20-35 full time folks that are ACTUALLY employed by that Data Center.
Neighbors are complaining about Cyrus in Chandler and Chandler is looking to ban any more data centers. It seemed like a good idea when the area was desperate for jobs, but now they are looked on about as favorably as a meat rendering plant.


https://www.azfamily.com/news/featur...lock_id=997196
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Old 11-16-2021, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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On the brighter side, Lucid started rolling their EV off the assembly lines in Casa Grande and has big plans. The vehicle actually won Motor Trend's Car of the Year honors! Made in Arizona. Their HQ and all the management jobs are in California though.
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Old 11-16-2021, 08:39 AM
 
Location: az
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Neighbors are complaining about Cyrus in Chandler and Chandler is looking to ban any more data centers. It seemed like a good idea when the area was desperate for jobs, but now they are looked on about as favorably as a meat rendering plant.


https://www.azfamily.com/news/featur...lock_id=997196

I own property in Clemente Ranch. A small house which Zillow lists in the 450k range and lists rent at over $2k a month. Current renter works from home.

Rented it at the start of 2021 and today rents have increased by $300 (according to Zillow.)

Can't speak to the tech industry but judging by those who contact me looking to rent.... many people earn a good income.

For Chandler and Gilbert rentals 90k a year is minimum income requirement.

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Old 11-16-2021, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Tampa, FL- For NOW
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People are moving here in droves. If I post a rental home on Zillow (East Valley) I can expect my phone to start ringing off the hook. Which is why I no longer provide a telephone#.

Potential applicants must contact me through Zillow messaging.

If this is true then why do some of the large rental companies like Invitation and Progress have e the same homes sit there for months at a time in Gilbert and Chandler and other desirable areas ?

Their application process is simple and the homes get removed from market as soon as a. Application is submitted, unlike Pathkight where they leave the homes on the market and show available even if they ha e an accepted lease.

We have watched the market tb e re for the last 3 years and I will admit it has been crazy and the resale market was phenomenal. Homes went under contract in hours, but if there is such a high demand then why do some houses in good areas just sit for so long ?

No one talks about the actual NET migration, how many people leave Phoenix. We have been hot and cold on the idea of moving there for our own reasons, it seems like a great place to live, but we have lived through booms before in cities like Charlotte, DFW, Denver and now Tampa... it sucks... too many people moving in too fast. Taxes and prices sky rocket, qualityof public services plunge, traffic patterns get all messed up, etc...

So is phoenix metro actually a great place to live right now?
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Old 11-16-2021, 09:11 AM
 
Location: az
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If this is true then why do some of the large rental companies like Invitation and Progress have e the same homes sit there for months at a time in Gilbert and Chandler and other desirable areas ?

Their application process is simple and the homes get removed from market as soon as a. Application is submitted, unlike Pathkight where they leave the homes on the market and show available even if they ha e an accepted lease.

We have watched the market tb e re for the last 3 years and I will admit it has been crazy and the resale market was phenomenal. Homes went under contract in hours, but if there is such a high demand then why do some houses in good areas just sit for so long ?

No one talks about the actual NET migration, how many people leave Phoenix. We have been hot and cold on the idea of moving there for our own reasons, it seems like a great place to live, but we have lived through booms before in cities like Charlotte, DFW, Denver and now Tampa... it sucks... too many people moving in too fast. Taxes and prices sky rocket, qualityof public services plunge, traffic patterns get all messed up, etc...

So is phoenix metro actually a great place to live right now?
I have no idea but that's not been my experience.

I've rented four properties 10/2020 through 8/2021 with no trouble.
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Old 11-16-2021, 09:25 AM
 
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If this is true then why do some of the large rental companies like Invitation and Progress have e the same homes sit there for months at a time in Gilbert and Chandler and other desirable areas ?

Their application process is simple and the homes get removed from market as soon as a. Application is submitted, unlike Pathkight where they leave the homes on the market and show available even if they ha e an accepted lease.

We have watched the market tb e re for the last 3 years and I will admit it has been crazy and the resale market was phenomenal. Homes went under contract in hours, but if there is such a high demand then why do some houses in good areas just sit for so long ?

No one talks about the actual NET migration, how many people leave Phoenix. We have been hot and cold on the idea of moving there for our own reasons, it seems like a great place to live, but we have lived through booms before in cities like Charlotte, DFW, Denver and now Tampa... it sucks... too many people moving in too fast. Taxes and prices sky rocket, qualityof public services plunge, traffic patterns get all messed up, etc...

So is phoenix metro actually a great place to live right now?
More people stay than leave. This article has data showing 2.2M moved here and 1.7 left between 2010-18. Phoenix is a very transient city. People leave because Phoenix was a career stepping stone and/or the heat. I also saw in the pandemic some wanted to be closer to their families.

https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/...rom-other.html

Regarding your comments on houses, they sit on the market for two main reasons. They are not priced right and they are very outdated. Once a house is in the market for 2 weeks people think there is something wrong with it.
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Old 11-16-2021, 09:51 AM
 
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Default Phoenix is a hot market.

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If this is true then why do some of the large rental companies like Invitation and Progress have e the same homes sit there for months at a time in Gilbert and Chandler and other desirable areas ?

Their application process is simple and the homes get removed from market as soon as a. Application is submitted, unlike Pathkight where they leave the homes on the market and show available even if they ha e an accepted lease.

We have watched the market tb e re for the last 3 years and I will admit it has been crazy and the resale market was phenomenal. Homes went under contract in hours, but if there is such a high demand then why do some houses in good areas just sit for so long ?

No one talks about the actual NET migration, how many people leave Phoenix. We have been hot and cold on the idea of moving there for our own reasons, it seems like a great place to live, but we have lived through booms before in cities like Charlotte, DFW, Denver and now Tampa... it sucks... too many people moving in too fast. Taxes and prices sky rocket, qualityof public services plunge, traffic patterns get all messed up, etc...

So is phoenix metro actually a great place to live right now?
Phoenix isn't perfect but what place is? It's a nicer city to live with better quality of life than Chicago, Philadelphia, Cleveland, Detroit, or Baltimore.
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Old 11-16-2021, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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If this is true then why do some of the large rental companies like Invitation and Progress have e the same homes sit there for months at a time in Gilbert and Chandler and other desirable areas ?

Their application process is simple and the homes get removed from market as soon as a. Application is submitted, unlike Pathkight where they leave the homes on the market and show available even if they ha e an accepted lease.

We have watched the market tb e re for the last 3 years and I will admit it has been crazy and the resale market was phenomenal. Homes went under contract in hours, but if there is such a high demand then why do some houses in good areas just sit for so long ?

No one talks about the actual NET migration, how many people leave Phoenix. We have been hot and cold on the idea of moving there for our own reasons, it seems like a great place to live, but we have lived through booms before in cities like Charlotte, DFW, Denver and now Tampa... it sucks... too many people moving in too fast. Taxes and prices sky rocket, qualityof public services plunge, traffic patterns get all messed up, etc...

So is phoenix metro actually a great place to live right now?
Phoenix did not just starting booming. It has been booming for 40 plus years that I have been here. Different parts boom - like Chandler Gilbert in the late 1990-2000s, far east and west now. One city or another around here have always been the among or the fastest growing in the country. The bolded have always been a part of living here. If you are trying to avoid that, then no, it is not a great place to live right now.
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