08-20-2008, 12:22 AM
Location: Bay Area
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I'm a lifelong resident of the Bay Area who's just completed his bachelor's degree. It looks as though I will be unable to cope with the cost of living in my hometown, and one of the places I'm seriously considering relocating to is the Phoenix area (within the next year after working to save up enough money). Visited relatives over Thanksgiving and enjoyed it very much. Anyway, I just have some basic questions. What are the pros and cons of the place? Are there any suburbs that are both affordable and safe while at the same time having a good mix of ethnicities? The downtown didn't seem to be that happening to me when I visited; if someone could elaborate on what the nightlife is like for younger people, I'd appreciate it.
08-20-2008, 12:41 AM
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Go East Valley
The safest is Gilbert of more east. You may want to be more centralized like Chandler/Tempe/Mesa. But with the new 202 freeway living East is easier to get around. The nightlife is in Tempe near ASU. The more upscale nightlife is in downtown Snobsdale. You may find good deals in the west valley, if you want to put up with traffic congestion, violence and just plain dirty. Everytime there is a shooting or an illegal drop house it seems to be in the west side. West phoenix is not a place you want to drive thru at night. The west side just seems to have a different feel, it doesnt feel friendly and safe like the east valley.
08-20-2008, 07:53 AM
Location: Sonoran Desert
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The safest is Gilbert of more east. You may want to be more centralized like Chandler/Tempe/Mesa. But with the new 202 freeway living East is easier to get around. The nightlife is in Tempe near ASU. The more upscale nightlife is in downtown Snobsdale. You may find good deals in the west valley, if you want to put up with traffic congestion, violence and just plain dirty. Everytime there is a shooting or an illegal drop house it seems to be in the west side. West phoenix is not a place you want to drive thru at night. The west side just seems to have a different feel, it doesnt feel friendly and safe like the east valley.
Safest is Surprise - west valley - according to FBI. East valley is in decline and will be mostly ghetto in 20 years. Vast areas already are in Mesa, and Tempe. Go west, young man (but go far enough west - past Avondale.) It's the future of the Phoenix metro area. For a young person, though, I'd would still be looking at Tempe. You'll be OK in Tempe until your mid-20s and then it will be too young for you. Scottsdale is better from that age up through wife/husband and kids and then it's off to the suburbs. Gilbert is a lily-white sleepy suburb with a lot of mormons and "children of the corn" feel. You would not be happy there until you reach the family stage of life. The other place that has some action though it is in the very early stages of development is the area around the Cardinals stadium. Lots of bars and night life coming there. But best choice for right now is the OK areas of Tempe and Scottsdale.
08-20-2008, 07:58 AM
Location: Arizona
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Tempe is good for a recient college grad. Decient prices and close enough to all major stuff. Plus there is more night light activities there than other places. Downtown Scottsdale is also nice for that, but everything is more expenisive. The other areas of Phoenix tend to be more family centric so I would stick to that area.
08-20-2008, 08:09 AM
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. East valley is in decline and will be mostly ghetto in 20 years.
Why is this?
08-20-2008, 08:21 AM
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Why is this?
I probably overstated a bit in response to the ridiculous comments in a prior post, but, basically, that is the way it is here. Everything goes downhill with time. Even the best neighborhoods decay as people rush to what's new and renters replace owners. People here seem obsessed with moving up to new homes and new shopping centers. That's all on the (far) west side now as anything resembling close-in land is disappearing on the east. Well over 50% of the valley growth investment is out west and it is accelerating. The new stuff - baseball, hockey, football stadiums - ASU campus, community center malls, new homes, Bidwill's business center, hospitals that are going up on the west side will draw people like a magnet.
Look what is is going on. I used to go to Fiesta Mall - it was a nice place. Now it is in the middle of a bad area. AZ Mills is by most reports a haven for gangs. Mervyns announced they are closing the store in Ahwatukee. I remember well when that shopping mall was built. Now it is in decline, apparently, with sales dropping.
PHX is the most "throw-away" area I have ever seen. I can still go back to my boyhood home in the midwest and the house and surroundings are better than when we lived there. That's nearly impossible in PHX.
Believe me, in 20 years the places to be are going to be Buckeye and south Goodyear - way down by Mobile, north Peoria near and around L Pleasant, etc. Gilbert will be an old and dated community of aging genx'ers.
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08-20-2008, 10:22 AM
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Understand what you're saying. When we rented out here in a certain neighborhood in the late 90's, neighborhood was okay;when we went back to look recently, there were houses with the windows sealed up and lawns unkempt (for months)--very much deteriorating.
08-20-2008, 10:46 AM
Location: Living on the Coast in Oxnard CA
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Well for one I would go with the west side but then I am partial to things west. Your moniker showes that you are into football. I am as well. The stadium is on the west side and a beautifull place it is at that. Also a great shopping and potential party place if you like. I love Jimmy Buffets Margaritaville and that can only be found at one place in the valley, near the stadium. If you want to hang out with the rest of us Parot heads, come on down. (My family also enjoys the original in Key West.) For me I like what is happening on the West side. Plenty of stuff to do in Peoria, Glendale, and even in Surprise. If you also like Baseball then spring training can be found all over the valley. One city that is very affordable although I am finding that traveling to work does take a little time is Surprise, AZ. You can find new homes for $150,000 and new 2 bed room 2 bath apartments with your own washer dryer, cable, internet, and many other ammenities for around $750 a month. These are apartments that were built since 2006. Nice places if your not ready to buy.
08-20-2008, 11:06 AM
Location: Inside the 101
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I'm a lifelong resident of the Bay Area who's just completed his bachelor's degree. It looks as though I will be unable to cope with the cost of living in my hometown, and one of the places I'm seriously considering relocating to is the Phoenix area (within the next year after working to save up enough money). Visited relatives over Thanksgiving and enjoyed it very much. Anyway, I just have some basic questions. What are the pros and cons of the place? Are there any suburbs that are both affordable and safe while at the same time having a good mix of ethnicities? The downtown didn't seem to be that happening to me when I visited; if someone could elaborate on what the nightlife is like for younger people, I'd appreciate it.
Most posts in this thread seem to assume that you have to choose between a Downtown that didn't thrill you and living in outer suburbs because everything in-between has "gone ghetto." That's not true at all. There are huge areas within Phoenix city limits, as well as inner suburbs like Tempe, Scottsdale, and Glendale, that are attractive and stable.
The big question, not addressed in your post, is where you'll be working. You should decide this before deciding where to live. It doesn't matter how attractive a community is if you are faced with a long and expensive commute.
08-20-2008, 01:17 PM
Location: Arizona
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"You may find good deals in the west valley, if you want to put up with traffic congestion, violence and just plain dirty. Everytime there is a shooting or an illegal drop house it seems to be in the west side. West phoenix is not a place you want to drive thru at night. The west side just seems to have a different feel, it doesnt feel friendly and safe like the east valley."
Alpo, thanks for registering your account yesterday and providing this well thought-out and reasoned post. I am glad that you set nuance aside. Because as everyone knows, the entire swath of cities from east Phoenix through Mesa, Gilbert, etc are universally idyllic settings in contrast to the ongoing warzone west of Central through Peoria, Surprise, etc.
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People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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