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Old 09-09-2008, 06:24 PM
 
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I just moved to the Phoenix metro area two months ago. I really like the area, despite the heat. But, I am struggling over the cost of living and the low salaries. What's up with this? I was expecting to be better off
than in California but it is really more expensive. The cost of car insurance, utilities, cable service is higher, I am shocked. I have been looking for work and am shocked at how low the wages are. How do people afford to live here? The people who had told me I would find it better here financially have lived here off and on over the years, so maybe it is how it used to be?
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Old 09-09-2008, 06:27 PM
 
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Not sure what insurance, cable, and utilities cost in California...but I think most people refer to the cost of housing as being much cheaper here then the coastal cities of California, and gasoline of course.

Utilities, especially electric, are probably higher here due to the A/C, but cost per KwH is probably the same or less here I'm guessing.

How much is cable TV in California?
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Old 09-09-2008, 06:40 PM
 
Location: Surprise, Az
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I moved from California one year ago.

My Cable (Phone,internet,Cable) is cheaper here. My auto insurance is cheaper here. My water/trash bill is cheaper here. Gas for the car is cheaper here. I have no Gas Bill for the house. Electricity is about the same...maybe slightly more.
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Old 09-09-2008, 06:58 PM
 
Location: Houston, Tx
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Smile This guy is a perfect transplant for Phoenix

Man you ignored a lot of warnings. There have been countless posts here on this board warning people not to come here. I don't know what you expected but this sure ain't paradise. Phoenix is going through hard times and people need to STOP! comming here expecting things to get better.

Please, Please PLEASE!! people stop comming to Phoenix. Unless your job transfers you or something or you are comming for school Please don't just show up looking for promise. Right now Phoenix doesn't offer any.

A few years ago this was different but things have changed.
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Old 09-09-2008, 07:17 PM
 
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When I spent a few years in Phoenix coming from California there's no question the cost of housing is cheaper. A lot depends on the area of course, but when it comes to housing or even renting your money will go further in Phoenix. The trade off for me and something the OP brought up are wages. It really comes down to what you do for a living, I took a cut in pay in Phoenix by about $2 an hour on average. Some people make more in Arizona than here in California though, again it just depends on what you do.

I found that cable and telephone services were about the same in price between both places, when it came to actual utilities like gas, electric, heating & cooling, etc., I found Arizona was a little more expensive. My auto insurance was more expensive in Arizona, it depends on your location and other factors though I suppose.

There are always trade off's anytime you move somewhere, but I think the OP will find that over time you will see the difference in how far your able to go out there versus here in California. I think you'll be just fine.

As for jd433 come on now, people can move where they want when they want, if I were moving I couldn't care less about warnings here on city data. Life is about taking risks sometimes and if it doesn't work out then it doesn't work out, but it doesn't mean it wasn't worth taking. People can move to Phoenix right now and make a great living for themselves just as they can anywhere else, it all depends on their own personal situations.
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Old 09-09-2008, 07:45 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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To add some additional gasoline to the Phx/SoCal 'fire'----------the Inland Empire (Riverside/San Berdoo) according to realtor.com has crashed so much in price that we are only discussing a 10% difference now.
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Old 09-09-2008, 08:59 PM
 
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Yes, I was misadvised about the area. Friends who do not live here year round thought it would be less expensive than the Bay Area. My car ins is double what it was in Contra Costa County. The cable for tv and internet is about 30 a month more than what I paid. Utilities are almost double and water is more expensive. Gas is cheaper and rent is cheaper, but when you throw in the lower job wages it comes out cheaper in California. I do like the area and I have a job now but the salary is still lower than what I had in CA. I guess I should of checked out the costs more, but everyone kept saying it was cheaper overall.
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Old 09-09-2008, 09:18 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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I think they may have been refering to being a homeowner. Definately cheaper here - lower property taxes and housing in general. State/city taxes are lower also. I agree about the lower wages, though (unless you're in a high-demand industry like IT or nursing).
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Old 09-10-2008, 01:00 AM
 
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Man you ignored a lot of warnings. There have been countless posts here on this board warning people not to come here. I don't know what you expected but this sure ain't paradise. Phoenix is going through hard times and people need to STOP! comming here expecting things to get better.

Please, Please PLEASE!! people stop comming to Phoenix. Unless your job transfers you or something or you are comming for school Please don't just show up looking for promise. Right now Phoenix doesn't offer any.

A few years ago this was different but things have changed.
I hate it when people say stop coming here it is too crowded. Maybe its crowded here compared to 1972, but compared to southern California, Northern California or anywhere along the BosWash corridor, the Phoenix metro area is like a rural farmland in terms of number of people and traffic. The metro area is huge and the population density is still relatively low. The growth of the valley is only to increase, if you can't deal with it, perhaps move to a log cabin in North Dakota and lead an isolationist life. People are moving here to escape overcrowding in other areas and to live a better lifestyle and I commend them for that.
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Old 09-10-2008, 01:56 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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I think much depends on the type of work one does and the amount of experience and education. I haven't worked for an hourly wage since I was in school but I know that hourly wages here are lower than California since the ECONOMIC COL is cheaper (taxes, housing, healthcare, schooling, gas, utilities, etc.). But honestly, I lived in L.A. for 4 years, Seattle most of my life, NYC for 2.5 years, and many other places and Phoenix is very affordable. My insurance is cheaper here than in L.A. (I did live on U.S.C.'s campus which isn't far from Crenshaw, South Central, etc., so that might have something to do with it). I moved here for the great job offer and for more money than was offered in L.A., San Diego, Houston, and Chicago. Only the job in Seattle offered more, but I turned down that offer because of the weather there and the culture in which I would be working in. Phoenix was and is a better fit and I am living in "paradise" here. I think much is situational and affected by personal experiences, but to generalize is over-simplification. In general Phoenix is much cheaper, and this is probably true for the majority of the population; however, I am sure (as evidenced with the OP's situation), that there are some who find it not so cheap.
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