11-29-2008, 04:43 AM
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Need some advice and opinions from others on our housing situation. We've made the decision to leave our current house as it's a sinking ship for a variety of reasons. Our options are to go back to our rental property when the lease is up in a few months. We'll end up saving a lot more money this way, but it's a lot smaller and older of a house than what we're used to. It's also going to need some $$ put into to upgrade it. The other option is that we are preapproved to buy another house. We can pretty much go anywhere we want in the valley. We're looking at Ahwatukee and Chandler for the most part. I'm really in a quandry as to what to do. If we buy another place, we run the risk of having the market further collapse and have another home that we owe more than what's valued at. But we'd be there long term and hopefully be able to ride out the mortgage crisis. We'd also be able to take advantage of the great interest rates and home prices right now too. I need some opinions and advice on this. Has anyone else been in this situation? Please let me know. Thanks!
11-29-2008, 04:56 AM
Location: Chandler
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When you say leave your current house, does that mean you own it and cannot afford the mortgage? would you be walking away from a possible foreclosure? Or are you renting now? It makes a difference in your situation and the best answer.
11-29-2008, 05:03 AM
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We own the current house, but can't afford the payments. We'd try a short sale first, but it's doubtful that would go through since there's so many vacant homes for sale in the area already. Foreclosure looks like the only other alternative after that.
11-29-2008, 06:51 AM
Location: Gilbert - Val Vista Lakes
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We own the current house, but can't afford the payments. We'd try a short sale first, but it's doubtful that would go through since there's so many vacant homes for sale in the area already. Foreclosure looks like the only other alternative after that.
I must be missing a piece of information. You stated that you cannot afford the payments on the current home, but you are preapproved to purchase another home.
It's difficult to project the market movement, but the current trend is still down in price. Interest rates have come down, and the stock market seems to be rebounding a little. Much will depend on how much confidence the country has in Obama as he takes office.
There are mortgages available out there for those with good credit and a down payment, and the interest rates are low. I believe the only real drawback to more people buying homes is the lack of confidence in the economic future of the country.
Many sellers, who don't have to sell, have taken their homes off the market, deciding to wait until the market turns around. They've just decided that enough is enough. They aren't going to compete with the foreclosures and give their house away.
There are many bargains out there today if one knows how to find them, and is prepared to buy them quickly.
In your case, if you're preapproved, then you would need to buy another house before you sell your current home because if you go the short sale route you will lower your fico score, and if you go to foreclosure it will get lowered even more, and in either case you'll have a difficult time purchasing for a few years.
One option, if you can swing it, is to rent the home you're currently in, and purchase the new one. You probably won't get positive cash flow, but if the payment on your new home and your negative cash flow on your current home is such that you can carry it, then you should be in good shape. In 10 years I expect that you'll see appreciation on the three homes that you own.
I've changed my business plan from being a full time realtor to being a full time investor. I still work with buyers and buyer investors, but I don't market for listings. When I do short sales for clients, I utilize and pay a short sale negotiating company to get the job done more efficiently. I buy houses and resell them to rehabbers, or I'll rehab them myself and sell it retail at a discount to the market. I am holding one property to rent that I bought this year, and plan to hold one or two properties each year, using a 10 year holding plan.
If you examine your situation very closely, and see if you can hang onto the house you have, and buy another one at a deep discount, then you may be better off.
It's very difficult to give advise to someone without knowing all the details of their situation, so what I'm mentioned may or may not work for you. You need to examine many alternatives.
11-29-2008, 09:15 AM
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Need some advice and opinions from others on our housing situation. We've made the decision to leave our current house as it's a sinking ship for a variety of reasons. Our options are to go back to our rental property when the lease is up in a few months. We'll end up saving a lot more money this way, but it's a lot smaller and older of a house than what we're used to. It's also going to need some $$ put into to upgrade it. The other option is that we are preapproved to buy another house. We can pretty much go anywhere we want in the valley. We're looking at Ahwatukee and Chandler for the most part. I'm really in a quandry as to what to do. If we buy another place, we run the risk of having the market further collapse and have another home that we owe more than what's valued at. But we'd be there long term and hopefully be able to ride out the mortgage crisis. We'd also be able to take advantage of the great interest rates and home prices right now too. I need some opinions and advice on this. Has anyone else been in this situation? Please let me know. Thanks!
Hey, I think I just figured out why our housing market is going to hell.
11-29-2008, 09:24 AM
Location: Southern Arizona
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Hey, I think I just figured out why our housing market is going to hell.
Great point, Beena . . . explains why so many feel justified in seeking help from the taxpayers?
11-29-2008, 09:58 AM
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Can you do a loan modification? I am looking into that with both mortgage companies as they do them themselves. That might help you to stay in your house. I don't see how "walking away" from the house will benefit your credit to buy another one. I'd take another look at what Capt Bill said.
11-29-2008, 09:58 AM
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Ridiculous. People can't afford their current home so they want to buy another one. Say hello to years more of further house price reductions.
11-29-2008, 10:01 AM
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Ridiculous. People can't afford their current home so they want to buy another one. Say hello to years more of further house price reductions.
Very true. I'd like to see some home appreciation some decade with my home.
People really need to do what they can to stay in their home and stop bringing us all down. It's just not fair. But then again I can understand the ones that have lost their jobs and such.
11-29-2008, 12:45 PM
Location: Gilbert, AZ
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I don't know the entire story of what happened, but my neighbor did the same thing. They couldn't afford their home, so they bought another one they could afford in Queen Creek before their credit went bad and the house they lived into went forclosed. Now that seems really sneeky and wrong to me, but I really don't know much and have absolutely no advice to give, sorry.
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Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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People really need to do what they can to stay in their home and stop bringing us all down. It's just not fair. But then again I can understand the ones that have lost their jobs and such. 
