08-25-2012, 04:55 PM
Location: Chicago
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I make that drive all the time from Albuquerque coming from the Upper Midwest. Really the way virtually EVERYONE who regularly makes the trip (and that includes tons of retirees from the Upper Midwest, look at all the lines of cars with Minnesota, Iowa, South Dakota and Wisconsin plates) is I-40 to Holbrook, south on Hwy 77 which is the downtown Holbrook exit, 1 mile to Hwy 377, south on 377 to 260, west on 260 to Payson, turn left at Hwy 87 in Payson (Walgreens on corner) south to Shea Blvd in Fountain Hills, if you are going in the Phoenix direction, continue south on Hwy 87 if going to Mesa and the East Valley.
It is 420 miles, going to Flagstaff is waaaaay out of the way. No one goes that way. The trip shouldn't be more than 8 or 8.5 hours if you stop to eat.
The only caution I have is: Drive during the day. Leave Albuquerque at 7-8 in the morning, and the drive is no problem. It isn't scary. Just watch for deer in the stretch between Holbrook and Payson. Just drive the speed limit in that stretch which is 55 or 65. Even if you take the long way, you have to be alert for deer around Flagstaff. The altitude is high on parts of the whole drive, either way you take, and personally the roads are windier on I-17 from Flagstaff with higher speed limits. The Payson to Holbrook route is not narrow with cliff drop offs on the side. The route you DO NOT want to take is Hwy 191. I drove that once and will NEVER drive it again.
I drove out from Chicago twice this year, the first was the Holbrook-Payson route, and the second the Flagstaff route. Both are scenic and mountainous, but the Holbrook route was more enjoyable. Speed limits were lower, but the Mongolan Rim was cool to see. The Flagstaff route is actually a bit rougher on your car. The mountain climbs are steeper in my opinion. My wife's little Hyundai struggled more on I17 around the Camp Verde area than anywhere along the Payson route. Both are mountainous though. The scenery along the Payson route is much better.
08-25-2012, 08:30 PM
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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Hasn't AZ666 been renumbered to AZ191?
Yes but IMO they should have just left it as 666. I love driving steep roads with dropoffs and curves and such. I believe may people call it the 'Devil's Highway' as it used to be Route 666.
02-25-2013, 02:31 PM
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Minimal mountains please
Hoping someone can help. I moved to the East Valley (Mesa) a few months ago and will be making a drive to Bernalillo, NM soon. When I drove here from there (I stayed overnight with family in NM), I thought I might die. I am from Chicago. It is VERY flat. I believe I came in the Payson way but I am looking to avoid as many mountains as possible. People going 60 mph around those curves and not knowing what was ahead of me, was not pleasant. At all. Major panic attacks. Any suggestions even if it adds an extra hour or so?? Thanks!!
02-25-2013, 02:35 PM
Location: Phoenix, Arizona
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Just about any direct route will involve some mountain driving from Phoenix. I-17 to I-40 can be less scary, but is still quite twisty and mountainous.
02-25-2013, 02:38 PM
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OK so even with adding some time, there is no avoidance? Well, what would be the shortest amount of curvy, heart gripping, anxiety ridden curves and mountains? I am hoping this will eventually go away but again, I am from Chicago. We have a lake. That's it. I am still new here so I am not a mountain gal yet unless hiking it :-)
02-25-2013, 02:42 PM
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yeah .... best bet is probably going from Bernalillo down to the 40 ... that will run pretty flat until you get to flagstaff ... then you'll go down the mountain ... speeds are usually pretty high on there and I had a buddy get unnerved the first time he did it at night, but during the day it's a pretty easy road, you can see pretty much everything, but you are still dealing with the mountain ... takes about 90 minutes to get through the worst of it ... it's a bit more major than roads like 260
pretty much no way to avoid mountains ... just the topography of the state .... the least would be to go south on 25, cut route 26 over to I-10 ... you'll still skirt a little bit of mountain terrain, but nothing like northern AZ ... you'll add near 2 hours to the route you took that went through payson and not much under that from taking 40/17
personally - I'd take 40/17 .... on your entire drive you'll have maybe an hour and a half of anxiety from the terrain (there are breaks within that time frame as the route smooths out and it's more up/down as opposed to blind turns) - your on major roads and can exit for a breather if you want to
02-25-2013, 02:46 PM
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yeah .... best bet is probably going from Bernalillo down to the 40 ... that will run pretty flat until you get to flagstaff ... then you'll go down the mountain ... speeds are usually pretty high on there and I had a buddy get unnerved the first time he did it at night, but during the day it's a pretty easy road, you can see pretty much everything, but you are still dealing with the mountain ... takes about an hour to get through the worst of it ... it's a bit more major than roads like 260
Apparently God hates me. LOL. I know I did not come in that way and whatever way I took in was very curvy, mountainous and at times, I could not even see what was coming next as far as even which way the road would be curving. Who thinks thats safe?? And it was a pretty lengthy stretch. OK so Flagstaff way will only be about an hour of mountains? I can handle that I think. Thanks everyone!!
02-25-2013, 02:47 PM
Location: Phoenix, Arizona
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The only way to absolutely avoid mountain driving would be going via I-10, through Tucson, to I-25 in Las Cruces, Up to Bernalillo. It would be roughly a nine hour trip, compared to the 7 hours it would normally take you.
As far as other routes, the major interstates won't be nearly as terrifying as the backroad through Payson.. There are only a couple really twisty sections of I-17, one leaving Black Canyon City, one descending into the Verde Valley, and one last one climbing up onto the Colorado Plateau. The interstate makes this better.. the road is wider, and in better condition.
I-40 is a flat, boring drive. No problems there.
02-25-2013, 02:55 PM
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The only way to absolutely avoid mountain driving would be going via I-10, through Tucson, to I-25 in Las Cruces, Up to Bernalillo. It would be roughly a nine hour trip, compared to the 7 hours it would normally take you.
As far as other routes, the major interstates won't be nearly as terrifying as the backroad through Payson.. There are only a couple really twisty sections of I-17, one leaving Black Canyon City, one descending into the Verde Valley, and one last one climbing up onto the Colorado Plateau. The interstate makes this better.. the road is wider, and in better condition.
I-40 is a flat, boring drive. No problems there.
OK so it sounds like the way I came in- somehow via Payson- was probably the worst way? I was on some serious backroads, then mountainous ones, then more backroads with hairpin curves..... Though the 9 hour option doesn't sound so bad. I know. Y'all can laugh at me. I am enjoying everything about AZ so far (well, except I'm missing my Chi food) but these mountains freak me out so thanks for all the great advice! The drive from NM was fine for the majority of it.
02-25-2013, 03:04 PM
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Apparently God hates me. LOL. I know I did not come in that way and whatever way I took in was very curvy, mountainous and at times, I could not even see what was coming next as far as even which way the road would be curving. Who thinks thats safe?? And it was a pretty lengthy stretch. OK so Flagstaff way will only be about an hour of mountains? I can handle that I think. Thanks everyone!!
I updated to about 90 minutes to be safe .... was trying to estimate in my head the time between black canyon city and flagstaff ...... first bit out of flagstaff isn't too bad ... but you do get some dropoffs after that as well as some areas where it levels off
You'll get comfortable with it after a couple passes ... may never enjoy it, but comfortable with it
Personally I love driving the area around the rim ... I find dropping from the 40 down through Payson to be fairly boring until you get into the mountains ..... Once coming back from NM we hooked up to the 60 outside of Socorro NM, road that to the 260, into payson and down .... Took the route to avoid a big snow storm in flagstaff - had rain pretty much the entire way from Payson to the SW Valley
60 is pretty flat and easy .... the 260 would be fine for you until you got into the white mountains ... you probably wouldn't like it once you got over past the heber/overgaard area (but I loved it ... insanely pretty area)
If it's that big of a concern and time isn't an issue, go south ..... maybe get a cheap hotel room in benson or tucson or someplace .... check out some of the stuff in Wilcox, tour Kaerchner Caverns outside of Benson, visit a winery in sonoita/pantagonia, kick around tucson for a bit ... or just drive straight through
Otherwise I'd recommend the major roads
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People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)