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Old 07-16-2009, 12:47 AM
 
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This is the Desert Museum Palo Verdo. No thanks.



This is a Fan-tex Ash, also known as a Rio Grande:



The Shamel Ash and Arizona Ash are more typically like this, where it is usually 2/3 of it's height in width:


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Old 07-16-2009, 12:52 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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THANK YOU FOR THOSE PICTURES!!! OK, no! a Desert Museum Palo Verde is NOT what I am looking for either! I'll have let the person who suggested that one know it is not a great looking shade tree. Would look so out of place in my neighborhood downtown too! NOW, the others you posted! PERFECTION! Again, thanks!
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Old 07-16-2009, 01:03 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Ok, from some research a Salt River Oak is just a variety of the Arizona Live Oak and Arizona White Oak. What I saw at the DBG was similar to these trees:

Arizona White Oak


Arizona Live Oak
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Old 07-16-2009, 01:48 AM
 
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Avoid pines. My neighbor has one and my yard gets covered in needles... not nice. It's a massive tree and shades his whole house from afternoon sun, but the refuse is obnoxious... and also strange. Summer in Phoenix and I'm raking pine needles like I'm in Aspen.

The Tipu tree was mentioned above... I have two young ones and love them. They have a tropical/fern like quality but thrive in our hottest sun. The concern right now is that they grow so fast up top and not in the trunk. As such, they require major support, lest the flop or blow over.
So basically they take some nurtuting to get started. In California they get large, but reports say not as big here. Who knows?

Trees are fun but really are long term investments... 5, 10, 20+ to reach goals. My house is 50 years old and came with one tree... a Tangelo. It's fantastic, huge, shades most of the west side and gives me fruit. If only the former owners planted more trees way back when... I might be cooler.
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Old 07-16-2009, 06:30 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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One tree: sisu aka Indian Rosewood. It is the best tree I have ever found for around here. Grows like a weed, great shade, not terribly messy, frost tolerant (but they will drop leaves in winter if cold), impervious to heat, lousy soil, drought. They are planted by the zillions in the boulevards of the new neighborhoods of Goodyear and other new areas of town. They can get kinda big - theoretically up to 60 feet, but the oldest ones I have seen are maybe a 40 foot ball. You need a bit of room. You need to stake it when young as the have a habit of growing crooked if left to nature. Prune 'em when young to to get the height/shape you want.

On Tipu mentioned above. I planted my sisu and my tipu (sound like a pair of poodles) at the same time a couple years ago. The tipu looks a lot like the day it was planted. The sisu has grown 10 feet in all directions and is a reasonable shade tree already. Love these sisus!
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Old 07-16-2009, 08:30 AM
 
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Beautiful backyard



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Originally Posted by HX_Guy View Post
I was just looking at the Shamel Ash online, it could be a good choice. I love how it looks, like a typical park tree.



Exposure wise, it's going to be sort of in the middle of the yard (right about where the blue pool float is in the picture, in front of the pool desk), so it's going to be full sun at all times.


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Old 07-16-2009, 08:40 AM
 
Location: 602/520
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How about a Southern Magnolia (Magnolia Grandiflora)? The tree has very large leaves relative to other trees in Arizona, is an evergreen, and produces nice flowers in the spring. The tree prefers humid subtropical climates, but will still grow here in Arizona
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Old 07-16-2009, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Willo Historic District, Phoenix, AZ
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We had to plant a bunch of new trees after last year's killer storm, ended up with:

She-Oak
Japanese Privet
Mastic
Chinese Elm
Sissoo

The last two are closest to your requirements.
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Old 07-17-2009, 02:14 PM
 
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nice barbeque!
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Old 07-17-2009, 04:19 PM
 
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I have two Shamel Ashes and they took about 3 years to finally start growing. Replaced one after the big freeze 2 years ago. What happened is that the trunk froze, then split all the way up when the sun hit it in the afternoon. Now I wrap the trunks.

My other tree that is just perfect is a Tipu.
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