Arpaio has gone mad with power (Maricopa: crime rate, attorney, high school)

[fcorrales80]

Originally Posted by Bummer

MORE THAN THE ILLEGALS, deckdoc? I bet not.

Take a look around you, those sanctuary cities are in debt up to their elbows proving the illegals are much more costly than enforcing the laws. Also, no one is able to put a dollar value on the personal injury and death directly associated with the arrogant common criminals so many refer to as undocumented aliens.

LOL, please provide documentation and evidence that the cities are in debt "up to their elbows proving the illegals are much more costly than enforcing the laws." Whatever that means??? That makes no sense. The city of Phoenix is the only agency with an actual task force, full-fledged unit, and undercover detectives risking their lives to bring down drug smugglers, drop-houses, coyotes and the notorious criminal element.

[shiphead]

Originally Posted by _Charles_

Arapiao actually does soemthing about illegal immigration and the "open borders" crowd can't stand it.

lol @ that comment. I am not about open borders, but im also against racism. You have a vietnamese, a guadamalian, iranian, scottsman, and a ukrianian. All are illegal, guess who Joe would arrest?

I find the growing ignorance in America over race getting old.

[ibarrio]

I like I said in my original post...This has zero to do with illegal immigration yet that is your justification for looking the other way when Joe commits serious offenses.

Try defending this seizure without using the illegals argument.

I would love to hear why Joe needs access to the information when it has zero to do with his office.

I would love to know why it is OK that he ordered county employees arrested if they tried to stop him from seizing these computers.

And once again, this is seperate from any support you have for the man because of his stance on illegals.

[fcorrales80]

Originally Posted by ibarrio

I like I said in my original post...This has zero to do with illegal immigration yet that is your justification for looking the other way when Joe commits serious offenses.

Try defending this seizure without using the illegals argument.

I would love to hear why Joe needs access to the information when it has zero to do with his office.

I would love to know why it is OK that he ordered county employees arrested if they tried to stop him from seizing these computers.

And once again, this is seperate from any support you have for the man because of his stance on illegals.

Good to point out! However, the computers have law enforcement databases and files about the county, sheriff, and court on them. Arpiao was denied access to the computers pending litigation which he ignored and overstepped his authority. We have an executive, legislative, and judicial branch in place for a reason...for a balance of power and Arpaio discredited that system and completely ignored American political systems and the viability of checks and balances.

This was an inter-governmental agreement and procedure breached today by the Sheriff. The agreement stated that County administration would secure and run the computers and databases seized today. Not only can the sheriff not uphold agreements, but he breaks the law, and enforces peanuts over the real elephants.

What he did isn't too far from a branch of government ordering a coup of another. Let's hope there is severe and negative ramifications for the sheriff as soon as the judicial branch hears the case today on the illegal seizure.

[ibarrio]

Originally Posted by fcorrales80

Good to point out! However, the computers have law enforcement databases and files about the county, sheriff, and court on them. Arpiao was denied access to the computers pending litigation which he ignored and overstepped his authority. We have an executive, legislative, and judicial branch in place for a reason...for a balance of power and Arpaio discredited that system and completely ignored American political systems and the viability of checks and balances.

This was an inter-governmental agreement and procedure breached today by the Sheriff. The agreement stated that County administration would secure and run the computers and databases seized today. Not only can the sheriff not uphold agreements, but he breaks the law, and enforces peanuts over the real elephants.

What he did isn't too far from a branch of government ordering a coup of another. Let's hope there is severe and negative ramifications for the sheriff as soon as the judicial branch hears the case today on the illegal seizure.

Agree 100% with you.

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by MotleyCrew

I still support Joe. Wonder what monkey shine the county is up to prompting such a raid? We have an administration in power now that is just as power hungry and I fear just as intrusive.

Suffice to say: I have to agree with you..........there is more than meets the eye here-------and, Nappy and Co. would looove for Sheriff Joe to go down.

This coming from a former liberal---------myself.

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by _Charles_

Oh and I do not believe the story someone told about meeting Sheriff Joe in the elevator. It is too anecdotal.
And besides in the unlikely event the story is true - maybe Joe was having a bad day - whatever, nobody cares - going after illegal immigration is more important.

Actually: I have met Sheriff Joe--------back ca. 1993. I have a copy of his book 'America's Toughest Sheriff' autographed to me.

[roosevelt]

Originally Posted by Bummer

MORE THAN THE ILLEGALS, deckdoc? I bet not.

Take a look around you, those sanctuary cities are in debt up to their elbows proving the illegals are much more costly than enforcing the laws. Also, no one is able to put a dollar value on the personal injury and death directly associated with the arrogant common criminals so many refer to as undocumented aliens.

I lived in Los Angeles, Pasadena and then Arcadia in the 1950's and 1960's. PC took over and the finest police on earth were gradually replaced, then L.A. became a sanctuary city. Hate Arpiao all you want to but consider what crime will be like if he is replaced. The new sheriff will probably answer to Washington.

[fcorrales80]

Originally Posted by ArizonaBear

Actually: I have met Sheriff Joe--------back ca. 1993. I have a copy of his book 'America's Toughest Sheriff' autographed to me.

Hey Bear! I love when you post because although we don't always agree...there is something about your communication style that makes tactful communication easy, LOL! I'm a social liberal but in terms of government regulation, spending, enforcement I don't look so liberal on paper...However, I say burn the book! LOL...I am glad we live in a place where we can have a difference of opinion; however, I think that some issues trump opinion and in fact become constitutional. While there are laws and have been judgements that protect the minority of people and often oppose the majority of people, these type of situations are necessary. Roe v. Wade, U.S. Supreme Court Texas sodomy law ruling, School Integration, abolition of Jim Crow laws, restitution to prisoners of internment camps of Japanese Americans during WWII, etc that must be upheld and which instill sweeping change. Ousting Arpaio executively or judicially is necessary if he isn't "impeached" by the people. I think even people with honest intentions are confused by his words and "tough" persona but it is all vanity and smoke & mirrors.

[fcorrales80]

Originally Posted by roosevelt

I lived in Los Angeles, Pasadena and then Arcadia in the 1950's and 1960's. PC took over and the finest police on earth were gradually replaced, then L.A. became a sanctuary city. Hate Arpiao all you want to but consider what crime will be like if he is replaced. The new sheriff will probably answer to Washington.

Well, the Phoenix P.D., an agency which has helped deter crime and has an outstanding undercover unit, detective force, anti-immigration drop-house unit, etc in a city that has experienced a 30% drop in violent crime and property crime and a steady decrease in crime the last 5 years, I'd say if someone was sheriff with real law enforcement knowledge, had a spirit of cooperation, and worked with the Phoenix P.D. and other local agency efforts then we'd have even less crime and an even larger reduction of drug smuggling, drop house activity, and coyote trekkers on our hands. However, instead of looking for drug runners, coyotes, illegal crossers, etc. he is checking paperwork at a factory where 99% of the employees will be legal workers. I say take care of the violent and socially imperative crime and then tackle illegal workers.