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Old 11-15-2009, 06:55 AM
 
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And the demand is for deep pools, shallow pools warm too quickly in the summer.
I think most folks are more concerned about heating their pools, not cooling them. A pool that's easier to heat will extend your swimming season.
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The only reason diving pools would be "out of favor" would be due to the high cost for building.
Wrong. See my previous statements on this. Not sure why you guys are trying to pass off misinformation like this when you evidently know nothing about the topic.
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Old 11-15-2009, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Peoria, AZ
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Not sure why you guys are trying to pass off misinformation like this when you evidently know nothing about the topic.
Kdog dont worry about it.Moderator cut: rude

In any case, both pools have their own pros & cons so people should just build their pool or transform it however they like.

Diving pools can get more expensive by going deep because of "hard digs". If you live in a region where there alot of boulders vs easy to scoop dirt, it can get quite a bit more expensive if they run into it early and have several feet of this type of digging.

But as a whole, if its not a hard dig, you are right. A small deep pool would cost less than a huge shallow pool due to the perimeter pricing.

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Old 11-15-2009, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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I think younger people like the notion of a diving pool and the action-oriented experience while the mature swimmer prefers a play pool with the casual soak-and-sip atmosphere. Then there are lap pools...
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Old 11-15-2009, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Peoria, AZ
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Then there are lap pools...
OH NO Ponderosa... are you really going to introduce a new pool style to debate???
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Old 11-15-2009, 12:03 PM
 
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I think younger people like the notion of a diving pool and the action-oriented experience while the mature swimmer prefers a play pool with the casual soak-and-sip atmosphere. Then there are lap pools...
It turns out lap pools are the very worst case for construction costs due to the fact that they're all perimeter and little surface area.
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Old 11-16-2009, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Living on the Coast in Oxnard CA
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Is there a differance in cost between fresh water and salt water pools?
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Old 11-16-2009, 03:34 PM
 
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Is there a differance in cost between fresh water and salt water pools?
When constructed new? Maybe $1200, which is the price of the Salt Water Generator. That and the cost of the salt which is probably under $50 for most pools. A retrofit might cost you a little more to plumb in the generator.
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Old 11-16-2009, 04:14 PM
 
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Diving pools can get more expensive by going deep because of "hard digs". If you live in a region where there alot of boulders vs easy to scoop dirt, it can get quite a bit more expensive if they run into it early and have several feet of this type of digging.
That depends on the builder. The builders that charge you more if they hit rocks or hard soil (e.g., caliche) are using relatively small digging machines. The better builders don't charge extra for difficult soil. They come in with a monster backhoe or excavator that pick up huge boulders as if they were pebbles and cut through caliche like butter. I asked our builder about this and he says he expects to hit bad soil on every job in this area and that's why he uses such a big machine right from the get-go. Interestingly, he was also the cheapest.
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Old 11-16-2009, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Peoria, AZ
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That depends on the builder. The builders that charge you more if they hit rocks or hard soil (e.g., caliche) are using relatively small digging machines. The better builders don't charge extra for difficult soil. They come in with a monster backhoe or excavator that pick up huge boulders as if they were pebbles and cut through caliche like butter. I asked our builder about this and he says he expects to hit bad soil on every job in this area and that's why he uses such a big machine right from the get-go. Interestingly, he was also the cheapest.
This was about 4 yrs ago so maybe things have changed BUT...

We have a pool and interviewed every major pool builder you could possibly imagine, large and small. We have an RV gate too so we could grant passage to the largest machines possible. Every single one of them had hard dig prices, IF they hit it. The hard dig was related to boulders, and not caliche.

Turns out they didnt hit it, we have a play pool, but my parents down the road did hit it and paid extra even using a large company with large equipment. I watched the hard dig process and it was a little more delicate than just scooping up boulders. They put on a tool that looked more like a pick and had to finesse the boulders out. Once they were loose, thats when they changed back to the shovel attachment to remove them.

It was definitely more time consuming than just scooping. This made me understand why hard digs cost more. Its really hard to just scoop out a layer of boulders since you cant just grip it if all you can do is scrape the surface. No matter the size of the machine, the actual attachments can be awkward at removing boulders.

What you said brings up another good point though. If you live in an area that has minimal space between houses, even the largest pool company can only bring in a tiny machine to dig your pool and that will cost more as well. Thats why when you are building new, its usually advantageous to build your pool at the same time before the block walls go up.

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Old 11-16-2009, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Western AZ
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Those of you advocating a diving pool, might check on your homeowners insurance as well. We recently built a 50 foot long pool, gently sloping to 5 1/2' deep from either end. The only thing my insurance carrier asked is if it had a diving board I was informed that "some" insurance companies won't even issue a liability policy for a pool with a diving board.
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