Sheriff Joke Arpaio once again believes he is above the law: (Phoenix: credit, living in)

[fcorrales80]

Originally Posted by azriverfan.

Is a "lonely" area 35th and Greenway? That seems pretty metropolitan to me. It may not be their job but they do it. I'm sure I'm not the only one on this forum who can attest to the MCSO patrolling the urban streets and neighborhoods in the Valley.

If they do they are out of their jurisdiction OR they have permission at that moment to enter into an area that is not under their command. However, if they try to give you a ticket within the city limits without a Phoenix PD Officer the citation is void.

[1967hammer]

Why would it be void? MCSO has jurisdiction over the entire county. They can write citations and take you to before any of the justice courts. Heck, for that matter, any police officer can cite you into any justice court if they witness a violation.

[fcorrales80]

Originally Posted by 1967hammer

Why would it be void? MCSO has jurisdiction over the entire county. They can write citations and take you to before any of the justice courts. Heck, for that matter, any police officer can cite you into any justice court if they witness a violation.

Because each jurisdiction is entitled to their piece of the pie; it is purely legislative and political and about money. An MCSO office does NOT have jurisdiction over the entire county, only over unincorporated county land. They were given ICE training, but that has since been revoked. They have the power to arrest when state law is in question but usually municipal matters require notification of the local police.

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by fcorrales80

If they do they are out of their jurisdiction OR they have permission at that moment to enter into an area that is not under their command. However, if they try to give you a ticket within the city limits without a Phoenix PD Officer the citation is void.

Actually, MCSO has jurisdiction anywhere in the county.

If an MCSO officer cites you in the city limits of Phoenix, it is a good citation.

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by fcorrales80

Right, and AZriverfan, the Sheriff's Office doesn't patrol our urban streets and neighborhoods. That is the job of the municipal law enforcement agencies.

Not true: I have seem MCSO units here in central/west Mesa 'light up' a motorist.

[garisonthebull]

Let me see If I can provide clarity to this matter.

It is a breach of legal boundary for any Detention Officer or Correctional Officer to do anything other then "scan" legal for contraband policy in state county and federal agencies make that clear. The notations "steal" and other comments the officer construed as security threat may have been testimonies, histories of events in his trial or other truly legal information. The appropriate action would have been to notify the chain of command that he felt a legal document may have sensitive information that could jeopardize jail security. Making copies without clearance from the very least of rank a Lieutenant was indeed a mistake. The reasons that officers cannot view legal is:

1. The prisoner may be sighting the officer in a law suit and this knowledge can lead to reprisal.
2. The officer may view the prisoner as guilty based on information in the documents and may treat the prisoner unfavorably as such.
3. The Accused pending a trial is innocent till proven guilty as such they have all the rights of any citizen.
4. Legal documents are only the property of the prisoner, his representation to the court and if necessary the judge hearing the trial. Not any security staff of the inmates detention.

I do empathize with the officer however, I believe his intent was the security of the prisoner, jail and courts. The Sheriff is correct in sighting good faith. If any staff member conducts an act out of the guidelines of policy and it is determined that the action was conducted in good faith then it is a wash with due training and an apology.

The lawyer in this matter has reason to request a change of venue, so that any information to her case being leaked is washed within the unbiased fresh court.

Judge Donahue is too justified ( judge justified lol ) in his upset reaction to the officer. The judge has every reason to expect that security staff in his courts be provided adequate training in the area legal protocol.

Sheriff Joe I believe was arrogant in his press conference. The Sheriff needs to respect the judge. He should not come across as though "his" jail is "his" to be sure it is the tax payers, the civilians who elect him own "his" jail, it is public owned. The jail is operated by the Sheriff at the public's will, through the vote.

Contempt? Let due process decide that, but the officer's union and department need to help the officer's defense in this matter. The Officer was either not properly trained or acted in good faith to the best of his understanding of department policy.

Detention and Correctional Officers do so much for the citizens of this nation and little is done to respect that service. This is because they work with known and suspected criminals everyday behind tall fences and brick walls so we the citizens cannot see the stresses and dangers they face every time they post at their job.

[L.Funk]

Originally Posted by Greatday

Arpaio is correct - The only one who can order a "press conference" representing the MCSO is the Sheriff. Not some judge.

Greeting's ,

Just imagine how great it would be to have many such Sheriff's as this one !!!

No more American "Illegal Alien Debacle" ..... and I do mean "Game Over !!!

Keep up the "Great Work Sheriff Arpaio !

Thanks / Lamar

[Bummer]

Originally Posted by L.Funk

Greeting's ,

Just imagine how great it would be to have many such Sheriff's as this one !!!

No more American "Illegal Alien Debacle" ..... and I do mean "Game Over !!!

Keep up the "Great Work Sheriff Arpaio !

Thanks / Lamar

Great point, Lamar!

Interesting concept . . . A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER ENFORCING THE LAWS!

[garisonthebull]

Interesting concept . . . A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER ENFORCING THE LAWS!

There are many Police, Correction, Detention and Deputy Officers that are slandered by that comment. Do not blame line Officers for their administrations restricting what they can and cannot do.

[Bummer]

Originally Posted by garisonthebull

There are many Police, Correction, Detention and Deputy Officers that are slandered by that comment. Do not blame line Officers for their administrations restricting what they can and cannot do.

Absolutely, Garisonthebull . . . I could not agree more.

My post was directed towards the comments criticizing Sheriff Joe for enforcing the laws.

Sorry my sarcasm was a little misleading.