Economic impact of 1070 on Phoenix (Tucson: car rental, appointed, rental)

[Howard Roark]

I'm not sure what economic effect this bill will have on Phoenix. And I really don't think it should be an issue. Suppose we provided free shoes for blond haired people for decades and all of a sudden we stopped providing free shoes for them. And then the blond haired people would threaten to boycott Arizona because of the end of free shoes.

We should not care. Personally, I'm for open borders. But I am against them if we have to pay for ANY of the illegals' health care or the education of ANY of their kids, or to pay for the jailing of ANY of them who break our laws.

The 1070 may actually increase tourism to Arizona, including Phoenix, as well as increase the population of Arizona, including Phoenix, since many people would think the government spending will become more efficient.

However the 1% sales tax is helping to push taxes to the level of California. The closer Arizona taxes get to California's, the less likely people will want to move from California to Arizona. Californification of Arizona is retarded.

[Champ le monstre du lac]

I never cared for Arizona politics anyway, but John McCain never really gave the state itself a bad name for those who didn't like him. I have my own thoughts on the legislation, they sure do have balls down there and it no doubt does tarnish the states image,however many are aware of the serious immagration problem there so it's sorta damned if you do, damned if you don't.

With that said I have never been to Arizona but I've always wanted to see it. Politics would never stop me from seeing the Grand Canyon, Sedona, or Scottsdale. Why the hell should they? Gay marriage in Massachusetts pushed a lot of people's buttons when that became law in the courts. I'm sure it had a minimal effect on tourism in Cape Cod and Boston.

Not to mention the attention span of Americans is pretty short and this is another flash in the pan media story. I'm sure months things will resume to normal as far as Arizona's PR is concorened, unless some cops do something really stupid to catch the media's attention yet again.

[smokemaster]

The NFL is closely aligned with the US Armed Forces, and also is very pro union. Notice the flyovers at the games? A lot of this is about national security and there are still repercussions from 9-11. I think most would agree that another attack against the West is likely over the next few years. I don't see how it would be any better to enforce immigration law during a post attack panic.

[SpaceNeedle]

Originally Posted by zox

I think all of us can agree this bill will have a negative impact on Phoenix economically speaking.

I think it's going to be very difficult to objectively measure the impact on the AZ economy. We cannot forget the health care costs, education costs, public services, etc. that we, taxpayers, are currently paying for them.

[azriverfan.]

Originally Posted by Howard Roark

I'm not sure what economic effect this bill will have on Phoenix. .

You are not sure what economic effect losing a Super Bowl and conventions will have on Phoenix?

[locolobo13]

Originally Posted by smokemaster

The NFL is closely aligned with the US Armed Forces, and also is very pro union. Notice the flyovers at the games? A lot of this is about national security and there are still repercussions from 9-11. I think most would agree that another attack against the West is likely over the next few years. I don't see how it would be any better to enforce immigration law during a post attack panic.

I never saw the illegal immigrant issue as a national security issue. I see it as an issue of an overburdened economy being stretched beyond the breaking point.

It isn't a conservative/liberal issue either. BOTH parties republican and democrat have been for increased immigration (illegal or legal) as a way to either augment the tax base or gather more voters. That is the real reason nothing has been done about it and why this latest bill will probably be nothing more than a boondoggle.

[azjack]

I doubt that Glendale was really in the running for another Super Bowl in the next decade. From what I have read, the consensus was that Arizona got the prize for putting up the new stadium, but that the area surrounding the stadium had less to offer than other sites.

The national news people will move on as other stories develop. I would not lose much sleep over being on the economic boycott list of San Francisco politicos. There are plenty of wing nuts on the other side with greenbacks in their pockets.

Let me thank President Obama once again for taking Janet N. off our hands.

[zox]

Originally Posted by SpaceNeedle

I cannot forget the health care costs, education costs, public services, etc. that we, taxpayers, are currently paying for them.

That is assuming this law is truly going to impact those areas and I don't think it's going to. Our law enforcement already racially profiles and that isn't news to anyone who lives here. The Sheriff's office has been doing it for years. This law is going to change nothing in reality. The police are not going to suddenly walk up to Latino bystanders and question their immigration status. What will change is how the rest of the country perceives us. We are already feeling those effects. People are threatening to boycott events. A San Francisco city council group canceled a meeting at the Phoenician. I think others will follow suit. There was talk of the NCAA holding a Final Four here but I think that is not going to be a reality any longer unless this law is repealed or changed. As Loco' stated on the previous page, the politicians will cave in when we are hit in the pocket books much like the Superbowl was taken away from us after our refusal to honor the MLK holiday. This is why I think this law is pretty much worthless. It's not going to change a single thing with regards to immigration but it is going to hurt us economically by causing other states and organizations to boycott us.

[azriverfan.]

Originally Posted by azjack

I doubt that Glendale was really in the running for another Super Bowl in the next decade. From what I have read, the consensus was that Arizona got the prize for putting up the new stadium, but that the area surrounding the stadium had less to offer than other sites.

The national news people will move on as other stories develop. I would not lose much sleep over being on the economic boycott list of San Francisco politicos. There are plenty of wing nuts on the other side with greenbacks in their pockets.

Let me thank President Obama once again for taking Janet N. off our hands.

It matters to me what type of investment we attract. I don't really want to attract right wing conservative wing nuts to this state. Arizona was a viable option for a third Superbowl this decade. The others won not because Arizona had little to offer around it's stadium. Dallas and Indianapolis were both due for a Superbowl.

Did the naitonal news abandon the health care issue or the tea partiers? The networks will continue to focus on whatever brings them ratings and this issue is a hotly contested issue that is sure to ensure high ratings. I care about my state and I don't want to see it mocked like it's some joke due to an overzealous and right wing governor who didn't even earn the governorship but walked into it.

[Howard Roark]

Yup. I guess maybe I underestimate the money generated by the Super Bowl since I usually don't watch it. There are a lot of other attractions here in Phoenix that bring in money. Are they all going to boycott Phoenix?

Also Utah and Texas are talking about bringing up their own copies of Arizona's immigration bill. That would mean the illegals will have to go into California and New Mexico and really impact the taxpayers in those states with more health care and education for their children and incarceration.

I'm for pay as you go. I am tired of paying for others.

Originally Posted by azriverfan.

You are not sure what economic effect losing a Super Bowl and conventions will have on Phoenix?