06-23-2010, 08:30 PM
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umm, did you happen to catch the HBO program called "GasLand"? if you haven't noticed, energy bigwigs are getting beat up on a daily basis...
if you don't mind, what's your stance on Natural Gas Drilling? for or against? and why?
ummmmm, I was at the screening for Gasland at the Byham. Am I supposed to feel sorry for energy bigwigs?
I'm against fracking water being dumped into municipal filtration plants, which is being done. I'm against forced pooling, which is on its way in PA and is in effect in most other gas drilling areas. Do you know what that is? I'm generally against energy companies rushing into an area, draining its resources with out of town labor and leaving the residents to clean up the mess over a period of decades. Have you ever heard of that happening?
Why are you for it? Cheap gas? Jobs? Chances are, if your biggest concern is for "energy bigwigs", I'm probably better informed about it.
06-23-2010, 08:32 PM
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PA does not have a good track record for overseeing this type of thing. Just look at the fly ash issue or mountain top mining and you can see the future for marcellus shale. I do not think the political will is there to make sure proper regulation is done. Just take a look at the oil spill in the Gulf or the huge coal ash slide down south. Please one small documentary is not "beating up" big wigs. We have to be smart about our energy choices. Nuclear may not be a bad option if we can figure out what to do with waste. Almost all options have negatives. we have to figure out how to deal with them. I think our political systems is broke. Just look at who is donating money to political candidates and then look at their voting record on regulation. Perhaps campaign financing reform would help.
Two posts and batting 1,000. We need more thoughtful posters like this.
How many accidents have there been in the past couple of months?
06-24-2010, 06:32 AM
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ummmmm, I was at the screening for Gasland at the Byham. Am I supposed to feel sorry for energy bigwigs?
I'm against fracking water being dumped into municipal filtration plants, which is being done. I'm against forced pooling, which is on its way in PA and is in effect in most other gas drilling areas. Do you know what that is? I'm generally against energy companies rushing into an area, draining its resources with out of town labor and leaving the residents to clean up the mess over a period of decades. Have you ever heard of that happening?
Why are you for it? Cheap gas? Jobs? Chances are, if your biggest concern is for "energy bigwigs", I'm probably better informed about it.
forced pooling, yeah...i've heard of it. i'm in the business, work in the land dept. for one of the major players here in PA. i'm also willing to admit, after only 4 years in the business, i've still got a lot to learn...i'm committed to continually educating myself on a yearly basis, and i'm sure you may be able to help with my education.
look, i'm not asking you to feel sorry for anyone, but let's play fair here. We have people calling in daily from NE PA wanting to lease their property...they stand to make a lot of money. It's not our responsibility to educate the folks on what's a good deal, the onus is on them to learn what's in store for their land and their town when Gas Drilling is involved.
i think our ("our" meaning "you and I, and anyone else concerned with this matter) efforts would be more efficient in educating the landowners, and holding our gov't accountable for enforcing the regulations that are already in place.
with that being said, "GasLand" is a perfect example of scare tactics with no factual substance...it's been debunked. if you care to browse the links below, you may find information that isn't being shown in the MSM and "everyday" news...
"GasLand" myth/fact:
http://www.energyindepth.org/wp-cont...NAL-062110.pdf
Comprehensive List of Hydraulic Fracture Solutions:
http://www.dep.state.pa.us/dep/deputate/minres/oilgas/FractListing.pdf (broken link)
Hydraulic Fracturing FAQ:
http://www.energyindepth.org/wp-cont...gettecasey.pdf
why am i for it?
Currently, it puts food on the table for my family...I uprooted my family 7 months ago to move 1300 miles from Texas for work here in Pittsburgh.
I take my business serisously, and can say I honestly care how my business affects landowners in areas such as the Marcellus...just remember, there's always two sides to every story...and most often, for every accident or bad press arriving from the Natural Gas Industry, there's many more successful stories NOT being talked about.
06-24-2010, 07:51 AM
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forced pooling, yeah...i've heard of it. i'm in the business, work in the land dept. for one of the major players here in PA. i'm also willing to admit, after only 4 years in the business, i've still got a lot to learn...i'm committed to continually educating myself on a yearly basis, and i'm sure you may be able to help with my education.
look, i'm not asking you to feel sorry for anyone, but let's play fair here. We have people calling in daily from NE PA wanting to lease their property...they stand to make a lot of money. It's not our responsibility to educate the folks on what's a good deal, the onus is on them to learn what's in store for their land and their town when Gas Drilling is involved.
i think our ("our" meaning "you and I, and anyone else concerned with this matter) efforts would be more efficient in educating the landowners, and holding our gov't accountable for enforcing the regulations that are already in place.
with that being said, "GasLand" is a perfect example of scare tactics with no factual substance...it's been debunked. if you care to browse the links below, you may find information that isn't being shown in the MSM and "everyday" news...
"GasLand" myth/fact:
http://www.energyindepth.org/wp-cont...NAL-062110.pdf
Comprehensive List of Hydraulic Fracture Solutions:
http://www.dep.state.pa.us/dep/deputate/minres/oilgas/FractListing.pdf (broken link)
Hydraulic Fracturing FAQ:
http://www.energyindepth.org/wp-cont...gettecasey.pdf
why am i for it?
Currently, it puts food on the table for my family...I uprooted my family 7 months ago to move 1300 miles from Texas for work here in Pittsburgh.
I take my business serisously, and can say
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I honestly care how my business affects landowners in areas such as the Marcellus.
..just remember, there's always two sides to every story...and most often, for every accident or bad press arriving from the Natural Gas Industry, there's many more successful stories NOT being talked about.
Oh really, if so then keep in mind everyones environmental concerns. Because when all is said and done, you and your cohorts will be long gone and the rest of us have to live with the long term mess you left behind.
06-24-2010, 08:47 AM
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Oh really, if so then keep in mind everyones environmental concerns. Because when all is said and done, you and your cohorts will be long gone and the rest of us have to live with the long term mess you left behind.
just curious, did you take the time to browse the links i provided?
i hope you aren't assuming because of the work i'm involved with that i'm not concerned with the environment, because i belong in "the rest of us", i live on this land as well...and so do the many folks that work in this business.
again, if people are truly concerned with the environment, and the "mess" that may be left behind, the place to begin would be the gov't, and the people involved with creating and enforcing the regulations that Gas Companies are working with. does that make sense, or is it better to wait for a disaster and then play the blame game??
06-24-2010, 09:34 AM
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I will look at the links later, but I have read enough to know this can potentially be an
environmental disaster if we don't keep a handle on it. This is the kind of crap we dont want to happen:
U.S. halts drilling in Allegheny Forest And the Allegheny Forest should be OFF LIMITS! This is a pristine forest area you may not be familiar with being from Texas, barely touched by man and greedy oil and gas co's would love to rape this land. It's all about money and I'm sick of it!
06-24-2010, 10:17 AM
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It's all about money and I'm sick of it!
It may be all about money for some businesses and people, but I don't think that is accurate overall. Again, natural gas would likely substitute for some coal and petroleum. Done right, that could easily be a net win for the environment.
06-24-2010, 10:50 AM
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I will look at the links later, but I have read enough to know this can potentially be an
environmental disaster if we don't keep a handle on it. This is the kind of crap we dont want to happen:
U.S. halts drilling in Allegheny Forest And the Allegheny Forest should be OFF LIMITS! This is a pristine forest area you may not be familiar with being from Texas, barely touched by man and greedy oil and gas co's would love to rape this land. It's all about money and I'm sick of it!
okay, good deal...read up when you have time. i only hope that you're actively pursuing your concerns...time spent on the forum's badmouthing the "greedy oil and gas co's" does absolutely nothing in terms of preserving the environment!
just remember, these oil and gas companies provide an essential need for America. there are rules and regulations of which they must abide by...and the latest disaster in the Gulf is a prime example of not only a careless Gas Company, but also corrupt Gov't regulators NOT doing their job...
06-24-2010, 12:51 PM
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I don't have time to do anything physically, but I will write letters to the appropriate people.
06-24-2010, 08:10 PM
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just curious, did you take the time to browse the links i provided?
i hope you aren't assuming because of the work i'm involved with that i'm not concerned with the environment, because i belong in "the rest of us", i live on this land as well...and so do the many folks that work in this business.
again, if people are truly concerned with the environment, and the "mess" that may be left behind, the place to begin would be the gov't, and the people involved with creating and enforcing the regulations that Gas Companies are working with. does that make sense, or is it better to wait for a disaster and then play the blame game??
I took the time to browse them. A "debunking" site no doubt connected to the industry, and the official site of a corrupt state government bought and sold by carpetbagging environmental rapists like your cohorts. Am I supposed to be impressed?
The guy who made Gasland started with no agenda beyond wanting to learn more about the industry offering him 100k to drill on his family's land. Have you seen it? If you haven't, I have nothing more to discuss with you until you've seen both.
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Most Common Occupations - Sales and office occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)