10-20-2010, 10:40 AM
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Haha , your joking right? Probably not alot of tourism $$$ , lets ask those towns along the Appalachian trail how much tourism $$$ they rake in......
Here's some advice, don't comment from the peanut gallery out in jersey unless you have a clue what you are talking about. There have been countless post-gazette articles highlighting the huge amount of tourism money that this trail is already generating for small towns along the route.
Little towns that have been stagnating for years due to limited investment and population drain are coming alive again thanks to this trail. You would be amazed at how many people from not only the country but around the world now come to ride this trail and bring all of their private money with them to invest straight into local businesses. I wouldn't even be surprised if the trail had already paid for itself by now and it isn't even finished yet!
Also, comparing the GAP to the appalachian trail is like apples to oranges, rail trails have the ability to attract a much larger diversity of people like day crowds and foreign tourists who are willing to spend money and take their time seeing the sights, since the difficulty is manageable to most people. Serious backpackers and thru-hikers trying to manage their carrying weight and move quickly to finish a 3000 mile, very remote hiking trail before winter will carry their food and lodging with them.
10-20-2010, 10:45 AM
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Well i didn't make myself clear enough , Libraries enhance our Populations Education that is not a waste of public $$$.
Rail Trails , do nothing , they might appear to bring tourism but not really. Rail Trails do not bring development , they do not bring income to the city thus the state or city should not be investing in them. Part of the line might be converted back to an Active Railway to lessen the strain on a different line. There not permanent trails......... Bike trails are not a form of Transportation.......
I already addressed your points in the post above, I do think its funny though how every joe blow on the internet thinks that they are an expert on rail trails, ect. or whatever they chime in about. Is there even a single respected source on the planet where someone agrees with your bolded opinions?
10-20-2010, 11:13 AM
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I don't think any Public $$$ should go to Rail Trails , its not like it generates any profits like Railways or Toll Roads or developments.
It has already stimulated a bunch of new development along the trail, and it isn't even complete. In general, it is a public means of transportation and recreation, and just as worthy of public contributions as any such project.
10-20-2010, 11:18 AM
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I'm a Rail Fanner , Rail Trails are a threat to me and most Rail Fanners dislike them. Of course , in 20 years this will probably be converted partially back to a Railway. . . . I have no Problem , with Public Libraries , State Parks , or Preserve.... they bring in Tourism and enhance the education of our country.... For the record i'm against any Rail line that will be used by less then 6,000 daily.....
Oh, I get it--you think this is competing with possible rail use.
Not a chance, not on this route, which is why the relevant rail companies have happily supported it (we may well eventually want to add more and better rail capacity from DC to Pittsburgh, but it wouldn't have used this path). In fact, if anything this will help stimulate rail demand--as I believe I noted above, Amtrak is already planning to add roll-on/roll-off capacity to their DC/Pittsburgh trains in order to serve people who want to ride only a portion of the trail.
10-20-2010, 11:21 AM
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It has already stimulated a bunch of new development along the trail, and it isn't even complete. In general, it is a public means of transportation and recreation, and just as worthy of public contributions as any such project.
Name projects , biking outside Major cities is not considered a form of Transportation more like Recreational device.
10-20-2010, 11:25 AM
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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Oh, I get it--you think this is competing with possible rail use.
Which Rail Companies i need names to verify that....I haven't heard any Capacity adding things Amtrak is doing.....then again that might be in a few years when the new cars come. As for the Pittsburgh - DC HSR line that will be built between 2025-2040....
10-20-2010, 11:28 AM
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Name projects , biking outside Major cities is not considered a form of Transportation more like Recreational device.
Not considered transportation by whom? It is people moving from one place to another--that makes it transportation.
Now of course the purpose of these trips will mostly be recreation/tourism (although parts of the trail will also likely be used for commuting, such as in Pittsburgh). But I don't see people eliminating recreational/tourist trips from the ledger of airports, or highways, or . . . dare I say it? . . . TRAINS.
So trips for the purpose of recreation/tourism are still valid uses of public transportation infrastructure in these other contexts, including your favorite one. Hence, there is no valid reason for excluding bike trails from that analysis.
10-20-2010, 11:30 AM
Location: Pittsburgh area
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Haha , your joking right? Probably not alot of tourism $$$ , lets ask those towns along the Appalachian trail how much tourism $$$ they rake in......
Spoken like someone who has no idea what they are talking about. There are trail towns in various spots all along the Appalachian Trail encompassing quite probably hundreds of businesses that exist mostly or solely to serve the folks hiking the trail. In fact, one of the unique things about the trail is that apart from the segment in the Great Smokies (TN/NC) and the 100 Mile Wilderness in Maine, you're never more than 3-4 days from a town within a couple miles of the trail, close enough to resupply. You can hike 2100 miles all while carrying just a few days worth of food and other supplies.
Also, you do realize that little if any of the Appalachian Trail is on former railway alignments, right? The trail was first laid out over 70 years ago. Not all of it is on the original alignment of course, but it's a hiking trail, not a rail trail at all. The trail towns are even more necessary along the AT because people are always on foot.
A long distance trail like the Great Allegheny Passage, anything that invites a day-long or multi-day bicycle ride, will in turn result in the rise of trail-related businesses. There are already some developing along that route. It does, in fact, bring in $$ from the trail users. The entire trail system in question here allows riding between Pittsburgh and DC, although only part of that is a new rail trail. The Cumberland MD to DC segment is the C&O Canal towpath which has been used for walking and cycling for decades.
There's already a routing for current Pittsburgh to DC passenger rail, so in this case I can't see what is lost even from a rail fan perspective by putting a trail on this old alignment. I don't believe it would have been useful in a high-speed rail alignment really. Is that the argument? I don't know. I'm all for rail transport (passenger and freight), but the argument against this trail is not making any sense to me. There is more economically to be gained by the towns along the route with the trail use than there would be with any kind of train use I can think of.
10-20-2010, 11:30 AM
Location: Lake Arlington Heights, IL
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How'd you like it if I put down your railroading hobby?
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Name projects , biking outside Major cities is not considered a form of Transportation more like Recreational device.
And with the obesity epidemic, we certainly don't need anymore recreational "devices"
. I use the Madison Co., IL trail network when work brings me to Metro East area of St. Louis. The hotel within short, safe biking distance gets my business. The restaurants and coffee shops near the trails get my business. I respect what appears to be your railroading hobby. But to have the unused train line remain "fallow" is pointless. And your disrespect for cyclists is also.
Cycling is actually one of the largest hobbies/sports in the country from a participation stand point. AND there is plenty of money going to local, county, state and national parks for recreation and this is an extension of that. Also plenty of public money going to highways, with too many of them not being built with a wide enough shoulder for cyclists to use-thus the joy when we get a recreational "device" we can use without the danger of inattentive drivers.
10-20-2010, 11:34 AM
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Which Rail Companies i need names to verify that....
CSX was the big one.
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I haven't heard any Capacity adding things Amtrak is doing.....then again that might be in a few years when the new cars come.
Here is an article on the subject:
Better Amtrak service for bikers still around the bend
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As for the Pittsburgh - DC HSR line that will be built between 2025-2040....
I hope you are right. In any event, nothing about this trail would conflict with a new HSR line.
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People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
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People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
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People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
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People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
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People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
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Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
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Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
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Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
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House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
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House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
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House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
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House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
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Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
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Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
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Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
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Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
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Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
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Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
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Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
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Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
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Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
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Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
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Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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How'd you like it if I put down your railroading hobby?
. I use the Madison Co., IL trail network when work brings me to Metro East area of St. Louis. The hotel within short, safe biking distance gets my business. The restaurants and coffee shops near the trails get my business. I respect what appears to be your railroading hobby. But to have the unused train line remain "fallow" is pointless. And your disrespect for cyclists is also.
