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Old 11-12-2010, 10:05 AM
 
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Just a small diversion of commuters to transit can significantly reduce highway congestion. Conversely, if the state doesn't find a way to avoid cutting transit funding, PAT will be forced to cut service, and that in turn will increase local congestion as commuters are forced back into cars. Here is a great graphic from the City Paper illustrating the predicted effects:

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Old 11-12-2010, 10:16 AM
 
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Conversely, if the state doesn't find a way to avoid cutting transit funding, PAT will be forced to cut service,
Oh really? Is that a fact? "Forced to cut service"?

What a joke.

Cutting service is a threat with the intention of obtaining as much tax dollars as possible. You don't see through this game?

Let's see if we can come up with any ideas on how PAT can prevent cutting service despite funding cuts.

Wow, a light bulb just went off in my head. How about PAT cuts inefficiencies and bloated salaries and pension benefits instead of service?

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Old 11-12-2010, 10:38 AM
 
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In recent years, PAT has already been increasing its operating efficiency and trimming its labor costs. It also can't just unilaterally act on labor issues, because it has contracts.

Meanwhile, it isn't like PAT is asking for something new from the state. The state has always made a contribution to PAT, which is only fair, since the people riding PAT, and the commuters benefiting from PAT service even if they don't ride, pay state taxes too. But the state, not PAT, decided to tie a portion of its transportation funding for this upcoming year to the I-80 toll (note that a majority of the toll was supposed to go to roads, not public transit), which wasn't allowed by the feds. So unless the state acts, PAT will be facing a dramatic funding CUT--it isn't looking for a dramatic funding increase, as some like to imply.

Of course it is fine to continue to push PAT to become more efficient, including with respect to labor costs. But that is a long-term process. The immediate problem is that if the state does cut its funding, both transit and non-transit commuters throughout the Pittsburgh region are going to suffer, as will the Pittsburgh economy in general. And bashing PAT isn't going to stop that from happening.
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Old 11-12-2010, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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Oh my goodness, as if traffic isn't bad enough for a city our size. Please don't add anymore vehicles to the Parkway!
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Old 11-12-2010, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Marshall-Shadeland, Pittsburgh, PA
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Oh my goodness, as if traffic isn't bad enough for a city our size. Please don't add anymore vehicles to the Parkway!
Thank you for adding that clarifying part of your statement. Pittsburgh's traffic is abysmal for a city of just 300,000, but as far as traffic in general is concerned yinz all ain't got nuthin' on NoVA!
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Old 11-12-2010, 06:21 PM
 
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"The official Metropolitan Planning Organization (MPO), SPC directs the use of all state and federal transportation and economic development funds allocated to the region---approximately $33 billion through 2030."

A bureaucracy predicts dire consequences if its trough is allowed to empty a little.

Second verse, same as the first.

Interesting that there's no link or source for the graphic. I can't find any mention of it on the SPC website.
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Old 11-12-2010, 08:38 PM
 
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move closer to work
carpool
negotiate with employer to work from home more
negotiate with employer to change start and finish times to avoid traffic
combine daily errands

suggestions for avoiding the misery.
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Old 11-13-2010, 03:55 AM
 
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As I noted in the OP, the source for the graphic was the City Paper. I directly linked the graphic, but here it is in context:

Traffic Trouble - News - Pittsburgh City Paper

I agree that if we decide to permanently reduce public funding for transportation, the only real solution will be that more people will have to live in dense residential clusters closer to their place of employment. Telecommuting and flexible hours will help, but the penetration of such programs seems to be limited by employer-side factors.
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Old 11-14-2010, 01:55 AM
 
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By the way, a bunch of entities representing the Pittsburgh business community are also trying to communicate the same basic message about the dire effects of cutting state funding for local transportation projects and transit services. That group includes the Pittsburgh Downtown Partnership, Greater Pittsburgh Chamber of Commerce, VisitPittsburgh, and the Allegheny Conference on Community Development:

Leaders warn of transportation cuts' impact on region

As mentioned in the article, here is an advocacy website they have established:

keepPGHmoving - Welcome.

I am offering this in part to debunk the notion that it is only transit and transportation authorities who oppose cutting state funding for local transportation and transit.
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Old 11-14-2010, 03:51 AM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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I think Harrisburg needs to restructure both the PAT and SEPTA aka the 2 most backward systems in the Northeast... They redid the Keystone service and it runs on a profit , i'm not saying that the PAT or Septa could run on profits but they really need to redo the system. PA is the transit punching bag for the NE , the fact that all your neighbors are redoing there systems and management setups must really tell you something.
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