Rally to support Wisconsin workers 2/24 at USW HQ

[BrianTH]

Originally Posted by Aqua Teen Carl

Annndddd right back to my original post about people bickering against one about insignificant garbage and speaking out against their own interests in class warfare.

Well, to be fair the poster in question apparently considers herself upper crust as well.

[Craziaskowboi]

Originally Posted by Aqua Teen Carl

If people don't see a problem with a governor being bought out by an out of state conglomerate...

It's no worse than being bought out by George Soros.

[Sideblinded]

Originally Posted by caroline2

Oh, dear, sweet Sideblinded. When you're trying to come off as intelligent, it's probably best not to admit that you're going to spend your night watching reality TV.

I have been given better insults by wittier people.

*I am far from upper crust. My parents both were teachers in Wisconsin. I failed to mention my Mom was an Aide for Title One so we were not living it up Trump Style with a 2 income teacher household. (insert tongue in cheek)

I stated in this thread earlier why this subject hits home for me. My parents were dedicated and cared (care), they were not the exception.

* I don't think I was the upper crust reference.

Off to watch Jon Stewart!

[ossewa]

Virtually every politician on the national level has been purchased by some wealthy individual or group, Republicans and Democrats alike. The recent Supreme Court ruling, which removed the few restrictions preventing complete political prostitution, has made everything worse or at least more transparently corrupt.

For many of us, our involvement in the political process begins and ends at the voting booth. Our influence over our elected officials is insignificant compared to the lobbyists who swarm all over them once they arrive at the Capitol. These kinds of grassroots rallies, both on the Left and Right, are as close as we ever get to matching that level of influence.

I'm generally a Progressive, although since I grew up on a farm I fit some rural stereotypes too (religious and pro-gun.) The rallies in Wisconsin are exciting and inspiring to me, just as Tea-Party events must be to many of the conservative posters on this thread. Organized labor is not without faults, but nevertheless it presents to average Americans their best chance for economic and political power. Any legislation that weakens labor unions weakens us all. Or at least those of us making less than a couple hundred grand a year....

[Clark Park]

Originally Posted by Sideblinded

Do your research. The unions agreed to 100% of Dictator Walker's financial demands. He said no. He refused to ever meet with them. He wants to end collective bargaining. He eliminated taxes on corporations & no increase for the wealthy. The Wisconsin Governor faked this "crisis" He cut taxes by 1.41 million (or close) for corporations, then started this "Sky is falling" BS. This happened over a 3-4 week period.

This is about killing the middle class. Unless you make over a few billion a year please start reading about what is going on before you blame who the bad guys really are. I do not understand on any level why average people side with Billionaires and shun those who are middle class. Public Union workers pay taxes too. They make up around 12% of the workforce. Are they really the reason the united states is in trouble? That simply does not add up.

Welcome to the United States of Walmart.

Good point! I agree!!!

[Love2Golf09]

Originally Posted by ossewa

Organized labor is not without faults, but nevertheless it presents to average Americans their best chance for economic and political power. Any legislation that weakens labor unions weakens us all. Or at least those of us making less than a couple hundred grand a year....

But what if an employee doesn't want to be involved in the union? I personally know of several union members that HATE their union. This includes family members. They have no choice though. At their job, they must be in a union to be employed there...and the union steals their dues right out of their paycheck every month. How do you solve that issue without curbing the power of unions? Self-identified progressives such as yourself are extremely against "right to work" legislation. So, what do you say to those that are forced to either be in a union or quit their job? What do you say to these members that see their union dues going to corrupt union leaders and corrupt democrats?

[AaronPGH]

Originally Posted by Love2Golf09

But what if an employee doesn't want to be involved in the union? I personally know of several union members that HATE their union. This includes family members. They have no choice though. At their job, they must be in a union to be employed there...and the union steals their dues right out of their paycheck every month. How do you solve that issue without curbing the power of unions? Self-identified progressives such as yourself are extremely against "right to work" legislation. So, what do you say to those that are forced to either be in a union or quit their job? What do you say to these members that see their union dues going to corrupt union leaders and corrupt democrats?

If you read the above post you quoted yourself, you'll see that ossewa said "Organized labor is not without faults"... Nobody here is saying that unions are perfect. I don't know why half of the folks out there don't seem to grasp this. The unions made every single concession they were asked to except for one: collective bargaining rights. The protesters aren't angry that they're being asked to curb costs – they're mad because their union's whole existence is on the line.

I do agree with you on one thing – people should be able to opt out if they'd like. Revisions good. Killing unions completely bad.

[Yac]

Ok, I think I'm doing everybody here a favor by closing this thread.
Closed.
Yac.